I dont have a picture because its too small for my camera to focus on but its tiny, maybe 1/8th inch or smaller. its a darkish green, somewhat transparent. It just kinda makes it way around the glass. but still no id.

oh and shape looks pretty flat and slender.

if anyone has a picture or what they think it might be I could compare.

sounds like it might be one of the types of flatworms that can inhabit our tanks.

http://melevsreef.com/id/clear_flatworm.html

thanks Star,

that may be it. its so small that the only shape i see is long and slender but in reading the description it is probably it. when it got in some current a small circle of it was still connected to the glass while the body flailed.

ok so there are quite a few now

Nuke them with flatworm exit, change half the water 24 hours later and get a sixline wrasse. Do you have some full tank pics I don't see a tank thread. Just curiuos because I live in Texarkana, always on the lookout for someone close to swap frags with

http://www.nano-reef.com/forums/index.php?...=228390&hl=

only a week old. I have been reading on them and i think ill just let them do their thing.

don't some types of nudi's eat these flatworms?

Don't let them do their thing....

They multiply so fast it will blow your mine.

They were going nuts in my tank over a few day period and I got a six line and he eradicated them.

i have a 1.5g. sixline would have panic attack

and how could i syphon for excess fw's. total water volume with ac20 is maybe 1.1g

Its no guarantee that a six-line will eat them. I bought one explicitly for my flatworms and he hasnt touched them! I know that a Velvet Nudibranch will eat them, but they ONLY eat flatworms so you need a constant supply of them. Im thinking of getting one, I figure I have more than enough in my tank to feed one, and they have a really short lifespan anyways.
With that small of a tank so early in the cycle I would just get the FWE. You have nothing in there that it could hurt other than the flatworms.

The flatworms you can see, are just the beginning. If you can see that many in the pic there are hundreds more. Do not waste your money on a 6 line, just use the Flatworm Exit and get ride of the problem now, because I promise you it will get worse. There are thousands of types of flatworms and some are ok and self regulate, but the brown/reddish ones will over take your tank quickly. Do yourself a favor and treat the tank before you start aquiring things even a CUC. You may have to treat twice, but in the long run you will be saving yourself from a HUGE headache.

ok fwe it is

it wont hurt other hitch hikers on my lr?

I say use Flatworm Exit. I bought a sixline about a year ago and I swear that thing doesn't even touch my LR or the Worms. I've had sixlines in the past that were constantly picking a things in cracks and crevices. This one is pretty much useless. Just be ready with a lot of water to do changes because the worms may spike your system.

When flatworms die they release a poison, which is why you have to do a large W/C after treatment. Inverts tend to be more sensitve to the treatment ie: mini-brittle stars, hemit crabs. Large population of FW = Large release of toxins = Large water change. I think you are making the right decision in treating now, you may have some die off on the LR, but it is worth it. I once saw an entire fish store have to battle this type of FW and that was before they had Flatworm exit. The FWs were everywhere yet people still bought pieces from there dah. There is also the lovely acropora eating FW, best to get rid of them now.

yes ma'am. I just ordered some.
Should get it around the middle of the week.

Def siphon out as many as you can before treating with FWE. Like others have said they give off a toxin when they die. When I treated all my micro brittles came running out of the rocks and locked up into groups completely paralyzed. They ended up recovering tho, I thought I had killed them all. Have a fresh bag of carbon ready to run as well.

ive been taking a turkey baster and getting them off rock many many times throughout the day. I heard they don't llike flow. Im thinking I may have problems syphoning with such a small water volume. maybe just use super small tubing?

with the size of your tank you could just yank the rock out and FW dip, and just siphon out the rest, but once again just use the FWE it is GOOOD stuff.

how long after adding fwe did you do a water change? ill probably do a considerable water change considering the size

24hrs after using fwe I still have fw's. most died and i syphoned out about 50. but a few remained and now i see a couple on the glass. Should I try it again tonight and maybe dose a little more or should I wait?

dose again maybe a little stronger, the FWE isn't supposed to do anything but kill the FW the reason you have to be careful with it is the FW release toxins when they die. Dose up and change all the water after you see them ALL die wait a day or two then change the water.

+1 yes remember you may have to dose twice, but I would not wait a day or two to do the water change. But I would increase the dose.

I take that back if you have nothing in your tank I would wait overnight to to the W/C just to make sure they are all dead.

so should i do say a 50% water change?

I put in in 30 mins ago. none are on the glass now but i see a maybe 20 on the sandbed behind my rock work but I dont think they are moving at all. brittles absolutely do not like this stuff.

It says a 25% change minium. Since you wiped out the vast majority on the first treatment I would not do a 50% unless that makes you feel more comfortable. You have a big tank 50% is alot of water. I still think you will be glad you went with the FWE in the long run. So many types of FW and they may not have eaten anything but they are unsightly especially in large numbers, and hard to get rid of after they get a foot hold. Good luck.

Thanks Cheryl. I will do a water change in a few hours just to make sure they are done with. but looks like this should be the end of them.

got home from work and flatworms on the glass again. i did 2.5 drops last night. it says 4drops for 5 gal. I only have 1.1g of water. why won't the all die?

so my question is, whats the next step?

Dang sorry to hear. Hope it works out. I still have some very small ones in my fuge but they have been completely absent in the display since I got the 6 line. Hope the FWE works out.

well ive used fwe twice now in 2 days. first day i used 1.5 drops. then yesterday used 2.5 drops. fw are still alive and well. this is very discouraging and im growing impatient with them.


Im think of pulling rocks out into middle of tank then turning filter off. syphon all fws i see. turket baste the shiz out of the rocks again and again and putting 4 drops in leaving it going until tomorrow morning then doin 50% water change. I plan on starting this at 630 ct. stop me before if u have better solution

So even though they are not all gone yet are you glad you did it and would you recommend the tx to others. By all means turn the filters off, if you have no CUC, corals or fish. Nuke the little FW, I am surprised though usually two tx does the job. Good luck.
Read this below:
http://www.melevsreef.com/flatworms.html

Nuking in progress. im giving them no other choice.
Not decided yet on how i feel about it, my tank is empty and they aren't gone yet.

Dose it and let it sit for a day or two, I know I don't have 10,000 posts but try it. Then change all 1.1 gallons of water, go to the tub or sink and pour the water over the rock, shake it real good, and put it all back together, if there are any still alive they must be some mutant strain. LOL You havent been doing it long enough to get all pissed off. I battled these guys for 2 years before I just dosed FWE and let it sit for a month, no water changes nothing. I regularly dose it just to be sure.

You do not need a 1000 post in my book to listen to what your saying. I am just cucious with other peoples tanks. The link I gave instructs you to dose alot higher, I would rather he follow the standard directions than do something that may have worked for me but may kill the bacterial bed in his tank.
Everybodys input is important.

who said you had to have 10000 posts?

I let it sit all night and added carbon this morning. I see none on the glass, which I have on the previous 2 mornings. I am confident that all are gone. I will just be more cautious in the future about dipping before putting anything in the tank.

my brittles are still balled up but they are alive.
snail and hermit made is through no problems.

I have no coral and am still waiting for cycle but overall I am satisfied with FWE, and would recommend it to other reefers. I would say they key is to not overdo it on doseage, but rather build up until theyall die. only took 3 days and I cant find any.

Congradulations, your hard work paid off. Now you are an expert on the scurge known as flatworms. Yea

thanks all for help. Now i can have fun with it