Jacobnano
Aug 11 2009, 10:02 PM
QUOTE (nebthet @ Aug 11 2009, 06:55 PM)

I am so glad you have this up now... now get some pics up and let us know what you caught!! LOL
Me too, I will I will. I may make you all guess first, then identify haha.
This tank is cool because its all from the place my dad has been going his whole life, so he likes it a lot
peewee1467
Aug 11 2009, 10:13 PM
for for the pics
Jacobnano
Aug 11 2009, 10:14 PM
nebthet
Aug 11 2009, 10:24 PM
I love all those feather dusters.. me wants...
Jacobnano
Aug 11 2009, 10:25 PM
Haha thanks, I like them too. There are some more there but they aren't open right now, they really add a lot of color.
I just noticed the tank is a little dusty still hmmm....
Also, how do I get a pic to show up on the gallery on the home page? I keep uploading pics but they aren't showing up....
hlander
Aug 11 2009, 10:28 PM
Nice finds!
nebthet
Aug 11 2009, 10:32 PM
On which program are you talking about?
Jacobnano
Aug 11 2009, 10:33 PM
Haha sorry I meant on this site. I Uploaded twice but I see nothing
nebthet
Aug 11 2009, 10:35 PM
Sorry, Can't help you there.. I haven't really uploaded anything to this site. I always upload to another and then link to it.
Jacobnano
Aug 11 2009, 10:37 PM
Ya me too, like for this whole thread I have done that, but I mean for the personal gallery thing. Hmm well I will go try again...
peewee1467
Aug 11 2009, 10:38 PM
DUDE! no way! did you have to dive for that?
Markushka
Aug 11 2009, 10:39 PM
Very nice tank, especially the feather dusters. You west coasters are lucky. Cant wait for more pics!
Jacobnano
Aug 11 2009, 10:42 PM
Haha nope, all of this stuff was tidepool/bottom of buoy stuff lol.
Yes I finally got a pic into the gallery!
Thanks for the comments guys, I am hoping it looks good. It will only get better when I go back a few months from now. Ya I consider myself pretty lucky, I love my cabin
Nanobuds
Aug 11 2009, 10:44 PM
tank is looking awesome!!
i wish i lived near a beach
Jacobnano
Aug 11 2009, 10:45 PM
Thanks!
I am still waiting for the approval of other coldwater owners...and I just looked at my tank again and all the stuff is open and happy now, even though the lights are off lol, thats CW for ya....
Jamie
Aug 11 2009, 10:49 PM
Awesome stuff - I hope it all adjusts to tank life well. I can id everything for you if you want. Feather dusters are the only thing I'm jealous of.

btw - Opalescent nudibranchs eat anemones. Your big one with air in it's tentacles (
Urticina grebelnyi) should be safe, but another nem,
Metridium senile (brown, lots of little tentacles) that you should watch closely.
Jacobnano
Aug 11 2009, 10:56 PM
Thanks, ya I know the names of everything except that crab with the cool pattern, I have an idea but I really don't know for sure.
Ya I know about their eating habits, and their cool nematocyst harnessing ability, I just like them too much, I will watch though...thanks

Well I am hopeing to get some more cool stuff when I go back later, I am thinking a bull head or two, some random fish (maybe) and if I can find them a pair of catalina gobies. Unless I can just buy two and they won't kill each other...
MGDMIRAGE
Aug 11 2009, 11:07 PM
Looks good jacob

Catalina Gobies live over there?
Jacobnano
Aug 11 2009, 11:10 PM
Haha no, I knew that sounded weird. I plan on buying a pair or two (as in just two of them, not a pair but two from live aquaria or something) if they won't kill each other.
MGDMIRAGE
Aug 11 2009, 11:12 PM
Ah ok, i almost packed up my stuff and moved back over to Seattle...
Jacobnano
Aug 11 2009, 11:16 PM
I wish they were here lol, there are a lot of cool fish, just really hard to find.
pmoradi2002
Aug 12 2009, 08:56 PM
Looks dope.
But aren't you not supposed to take anything from the ocean? Isn't it not only the law but the point of the hobby, to put a dent in wild culturing?
spazizz
Aug 12 2009, 09:07 PM
Ok your tank is cool but seriously needs some oraganization. Awesome critters though.
ha fix the scape.......
MGDMIRAGE
Aug 12 2009, 09:10 PM
QUOTE (pmoradi2002 @ Aug 12 2009, 05:56 PM)

Looks dope.
But aren't you not supposed to take anything from the ocean? Isn't it not only the law but the point of the hobby, to put a dent in wild culturing?
True, but you are also dealing with non tropical ocean life, where can you buy that stuff? I'm sure it's not in any real danger of over collection, polution is more of a threat. It probably is illegal however, i know you aren't supposed to have native freshwater fish in tanks here.
Jacobnano
Aug 12 2009, 10:55 PM
True, this may sound incorrect but technically we own the tidelands and anything on them, even including eelgrass. We are actually Working with UW and trying to conserve the native populations. Believe me what we are doing to help outweighs whatever unmeasurable dent taking a few nems (talk to Jamie, they are everywhere, almost a nuisance the white ones are) and other critters.
There are only a few sites that I know of that sell stuff for CW, and whenever I check them they always seem out of stock.
Haha it actually looks pretty good,and I have extra stuff, just in case a friend wants to start one up. I will post updated pics soon.
Really Mirage I didn't know that. I always thought a little pumpkin seed bluegill in a tank would be awesome.
MGDMIRAGE
Aug 13 2009, 12:37 AM
QUOTE (Jacobnano @ Aug 12 2009, 08:55 PM)

True, this may sound incorrect but technically we own the tidelands and anything on them, even including eelgrass. We are actually Working with UW and trying to conserve the native populations. Believe me what we are doing to help outweighs whatever unmeasurable dent taking a few nems (talk to Jamie, they are everywhere, almost a nuisance the white ones are) and other critters.
There are only a few sites that I know of that sell stuff for CW, and whenever I check them they always seem out of stock.
Haha it actually looks pretty good,and I have extra stuff, just in case a friend wants to start one up. I will post updated pics soon.
Really Mirage I didn't know that. I always thought a little pumpkin seed bluegill in a tank would be awesome.
They are cool lol. I had one 10 or so years ago, had him for two years with Oscars and a convict, he was pretty and fit right in with the cichlids.
Jacobnano
Aug 13 2009, 12:39 AM
Taste delicious too, but I could never eat a pet

Well my tank is looking better. I am waiting for the big nem to attach to the glass before I take more pics, he keeps rolling away in the current haha.
Jamie
Aug 13 2009, 12:45 AM
In Oregon, to collect invertebrates you must have a shellfish license. The rule is 10 non-food invertebrates per person per day, but there are certain protected areas that are illegal to collect from. Some animals, like abalone and urchins, have more specific regulations because they are harvested for food.
Jacobnano
Aug 13 2009, 12:51 AM
I actually have several licenses. Shellfish, fish,crab/seagrass and hunting. So I think with that and being on our property I think I am legal. The collecting was also spread out over one week.
Ya theres some cool abalone species up here in the sound but the best one is native to the area and extremely protected because they are close to extinction. Its cool because my dad has seen everything possible, helps me know what should be touched (as in taken home) and what shouldn't.
Lalani
Aug 14 2009, 11:13 AM

I love those feather dusters.
Send me some stuff, kthnx.
Jacobnano
Aug 14 2009, 11:15 AM
Haha finally you commented. The tank is looking better by the way, the nems are moving (slowly) to their permanent places.
I think I am gonna send Jamie some this fall, and I guess I might send you a few

You guys will need to tell me how to ship, I am thinking box with water and some dry ice, then overnight. But I really don't know.
Edit: Hey Lani do you think this would do better in the biotope forum? (like you suggested before)
Lalani
Aug 14 2009, 11:21 AM
More pics, plz!
I haven't shipped any coldwater stuff, so Jamie should know more.
And that's up to you. The thread would probably receive the same amount of attention in the biotopes forum... they aren't exactly the most popular tanks.

But more of the coldwater keepers would comment, probably.
Jacobnano
Aug 14 2009, 03:39 PM
I will post more pics once everything (mostly the nems) don't look pissed off at me haha.
Ya could you move it to the biotopes for me?
Ya I know my tank doesn't look amazing but no ones appears to be commenting (I mean other coldwater keepers, besides you and Jamie), hmmm....
Well I guess I will talk to him about shipping.
capsfan
Aug 14 2009, 03:50 PM
You have a chiton!! I love those things!
Lalani
Aug 14 2009, 04:07 PM
Jacobnano
Aug 14 2009, 04:12 PM
I actually have two, and they are different species. Thanks Lani!
Jamie
Aug 14 2009, 04:43 PM
My experience with coldwater shipping is very limited. Definitely don't ship them with dry ice though, that would be way too cold. Conventional icepacks are good.
Basically, get a styrofoam box, double or triple back whatever you're sending with plenty of water (the bag should be about half air, half water, and fully inflated, so nothing gets squished. Put the bag in the styro box, fill with packing puffs, put an icepack on top and seal it up.
And don't ship in the summer. Hot is bad for coldwater things.
Jacobnano
Aug 14 2009, 04:58 PM
Haha ya I guess that would be too cold wouldn't it?
I guess that makes this even easier because I won't be getting more until later, like in the fall. And I found out that spiny lumpsuckers go into the shallows more often in the winter (into the Eel grass beds!) so my chance of finding one will be better.
Well I guess I gotta bring back a lot of dusters for you guys!
Jamie
Aug 14 2009, 06:39 PM
yes, yes you do. Bring me a lumpsucker too?
Jacobnano
Aug 14 2009, 06:54 PM
Haha if I find more than one I will.
Well maybe I should start chargin you guys for them hmmm hahaha
Jamie
Aug 15 2009, 01:00 AM
I'm paying you strawberries, arent't I?
Jacobnano
Aug 15 2009, 01:17 AM
Haha true. Nevermind. Lani should make me a mod as payment hahaha, I kid.
Lalani
Aug 15 2009, 01:18 AM
Only Chris can create mods.
It's a painful process, btw. Not pretty.
Jacobnano
Aug 15 2009, 01:21 AM
I heard you have to make a sacrifice, I have a member or two in mind.
Lalani
Aug 15 2009, 01:23 AM
You're sick.
SHAME
Jacobnano
Aug 15 2009, 01:26 AM
Hahaha. Wasn't talking about you or Jamie.
What temp do you have your tank at normally?
Lalani
Aug 15 2009, 01:29 AM
Oh sure, change the subject...

Right now my tank is hovering at 60F.
lakshwadeep
Aug 15 2009, 01:32 AM
Has anyone said how nice your feather dusters are?

I like that striped crab. It's shell looks just like a psychedelic frogfish.
Jacobnano
Aug 15 2009, 01:34 AM
See I was wondering about that. I think yours (and maybe Jamies) are leaning more towards temperate, than cold cold. When I was up at my cabin in the puget sound the water temp was 53. I have my tank at 55. I am sure they can surive but they aren't really tidepool critters, I get them from buoys and docks. (they are always a foot from the surface though...
Thanks Lak! I have been going to my cabin my whole life and that is the first time I have ever caught a crab like that. I caught a ton of other cool invert (especially nudis) that were very interesting.
Jamie
Aug 15 2009, 01:59 AM
I think, technically, coldwater refers to areas above the arctic circle, temperate refers to the area between the arctic circle and the Tropic of Cancer, and tropical Tropic of Cancer south to the equator. Same goes for the southern hemisphere, but replace cancer with capricorn.
The way people use it referring to tank temperature, imo goes like this:
tropical: 73-85
temperate: 63-72
coldwater: 50-62
There's not really a definite line, because many animals live in both temperate and coldwater zones, sometimes even tropical. Strawberries live from Alaska down to Mexico. A xanthogrammica goes all the way south to Panama. So, you can have a coldwater tank and a temperate tank at 10 degrees apart, but keep all the same animals.
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