Hey Urchin, sorry none of my rants were directed at you at all, you showed concern about certain aspects and
gave ways that you thought might improve things. Advice the way it should be delivered. The leaching I had hoped to take care of by epoxying the surface to seal the foam from the uv, otherwise it would break apart. If I had to do it over, I would have used black pond foam and been more careful about the shape of the foam especially around the edges.

I'm glad you ignored my advice.

Hhhmmm Too bad i was kinda interested in it. A+ on the idea but im not a fan of foam walls and such. Id say dont give up. Do what ever you want. I personally like the idea you had. So it may not be as "efficient" as far as racks but it gave you something curvy and untradtitional to look at. I think it would look really cool if/when its covered in coraline.

+1 on the acrylic rods and egg crate.

I sent you a message bro.

What and your pile of rocks in your tank look any better!! All your post are annoying bro

Thanks man, I'm thinking of redoing this, but without the foam at all. May do some stuff with acrylic, davidr offered me some acrylic rods (thanks again man!) , maybe shape some acrylic sheets into something cool.
Not giving up on this, but may just do something simple.



PM returned, I think I will take you up on your offer.

Yeah I liked that platform Idea that this design had You just need something other than the foam to hold it. If you buy some cheap acrylic say 1/8 or 1/4 in and cut it to strips about 1-1 1/2 wide its very easy to bend with a heat gun and make shapes to tie rock too, maybe with zip ties or some thing.

Thats how I formed the bracket for my ATO.

Thanks for the idea steve. I had already started working on another theme, lost the foam altogether. Let me know what you guys think..







The two spires to the left and right will have racks on em as well, but I am waiting a day or two until the putty and glue fully cure.

Oh and I'm getting a 3 foot T-5 light system from fish need it, should be here within the week!

It nice that you kept the grate area bare, good for holding the plugs. Still, light penetration can be an issue- esp. with them being right on top of another.

Good show mate! Well done! Much better than the danger of that foam!

That looks alot better. Your vision is starting to take shape now.

Actually yes and as you can see by the comments on my thread people do enjoy it.

Man get a real frag system already.

Whatever, ghetto tank is ghetto tank. At least my frag racks are black and unseen and my rock is awesome.

I think OP should drill the tank and scrap this whole idea... too many people want to be "different" even if it means conjuring an abomination of some sort.

With quotes like these you sounded like a mark!! Did you really need to leave those comments....At least Kraylen offered some kind of advice....




You must not like your tank....Even if you had a beautiful tank I would of said what I did....But at least I know I ruffled your feathers....

If it makes you feel better at the end of the day...Your tank is better than mine..

Wow you two just don't stop. You can't just let the cat do his thing without putting him down? There's a difference between giving advice and being a D***.

Valid point. I mean come on though...the crate is never going to get covered totally and it just looks funky, bonsai or not.


Damnit, I just smoothed those feathers out too!

It's all fun and games people. This is reef keeping, not quantum physics.

My criticism may not be constructive, but i'm not off base...

Just making an observation!

Thanks Vanh, I did the bottom layer on purpose for low light corals and NPS corals.



Thanks man, preciate the compliment!


Thank you steve, a little left to do, but I am much prefering it this time.



You're right it does look like a maxi pad


You may have friends and people who like you, but no one respects a know-it-all

Why didn't I get a quote?!?!

Seriously though, consider finding some super flat, skinny rock and drilling it. You'd get the same effect without the plastic look. It's going to be very difficult to conceal the white plastic and in the end I think you'll dig it more.

Bryan, just make a normal frag rack out of eggcrat it will look so uch better and work a lot better. Just shove rock in under the racks. make sure to spray it black , it looks better and stops it from leaching.

Didn't have anything worth quoting till this tbh
I originally wanted to have racks that you could both put plugs in and lay tiles on top of. One of the reasons why I took down the original, I never got around to drilling in the foam. I am ok with seeing the racks, almost any frag tank you look at you can see the crate, I just wanted to try a different version.

I love the positive advice that some are giving here, and must say that I'm a little surprised at just how personal some people make their comments...I mean if dude wants to do something different maybe we should all shut up and watch to see what his vision is...after all, I can remember people getting bashed for having the audacity to think they could keep stony corals alive in an aquarium....

Come on guys...just play nice....It seems to me that the attitude of some is that if you don't just follow the trend like another mindless sheep, that you need to be chastised...

Thanks for the advice Nick, I have already glued the stuff in, hopefully can keep any blooms that happen under control if caught early enough, unlike my cube lol.


Thanks Mitch! Wait.. stony corals in an aquarium?!

We get it, you don't like the tank. Let the ol' boy do his thing. Lay off this thread and go back to one of the other 300 you have trolled on this forum.

Sorry but I'm new to fragging and was just wondering what would leach out from the racks? I think painting it black would like good, but never heard anything about leaching from the racks. Could you please explain a bit more on this?

Also AkaBryan, is that a 20L you're working with?

Very well said.

All you sheeple should make your tanks look like theirs'....don't you know????

I think, although i've heard differing reports on this, that white crate will cause algae blooms from leaching something into the water. Black crate will not. A common way to counteract this is to soak your crate in vinigar before using it.
Yes it is a 20L


Lol


Yup btw David, people in your profession are heroes to me, can't get by without your product

What's that... HOME BREWING??? If so...

It looks better, but there's just something weird about combining egg crate with rock.

Maybe this will give you some ideas-

https://www.marinedepot.com/5_Position_Fire...-FIMTCM-vi.html

http://qualitymarinelife.com/TongaShelfliverock.html

also if that bottom rack is up against the rock it's sitting on frag plugs won't be able to sit correctly in the egg crate holes.

Lol was talking about poker table building, but combine that with beer and you have a beautiful evening.

I wish more of you guys lived in canada. It'd be so chill to have an NR poker night every once in a while, also our beer kicks your beer's ass. It's funny how you guys can figure out how to ship live aquatic animals over night (which can't seem to do) but you can't figure out how to brew a decent organic beer. If anyone's ever in toronto mill st. brewery is the best beer i've ever had.

If you don't like what I have to say then feel free to skim right by it. The only $hit I troll is yours cause it's funny and pointless. Go listen to The Tragically Hip or Our Lady Peace or somethin...


Why didn't you add a "BRO!" in there?

Thanks for the offer, but i don't want to skim by it anymore.

Whats so wrong in your life that you have to come on a forum for aquarium owners and just start bashing. I shouldn't have to listen to your garbage when i'm on a forum, you're not constructive, you're not helpful in any way and you've got a dick personality. Why are you here? Besides your tank thread, which i have to admit is both more established and nicer looking than mine, what do you have to offer this forum? This is a community, a helpful, informative place where people go to learn, to discuss and to celebrate. not to be picked on by douchebags. Just take it somewhere else so the people that want to enjoy their time here can.


and by the way, anyone who adds bro to the end of there sentences is fine in my books. It's a thing between friends, you know? those things you seem to be having a lot of trouble getting these days...

EDIT: @akabryanhall: i just got back from key biscayne on a diving trip! you guys are so lucky to live in such wonderful climate

I think if you look around a lot of the topics I have posted in I actually do/have provided some decent advice and are helpful/constructive. Just because you personally don't like me doesn't mean my posts are trash. This seems like Deja Vu to me...

I am also here to have fun, but I'm also going to give my unhindered opinion when I don't like something and there's nothing you can do about that. We have this thing here called "Freedom of Speech".

Sorry, but I don't consider people on the internet in forums my "friends", but I can understand why you would.

It's nice that you think i have spent time and effort forming a personal opinion about you, but truth be told, i haven't-so don't flatter yourself. Like i said, if you wanna play the non-conformist card go ahead, but just know that that kind of attitude and style of posting is never appreciated in any circumstance and at some point you will realize that it's a waste of time.

You can't argue that it's always better to keep non-constructive comments to yourself, rather than sully a guys day. Leave this thread.

Keep goin man, keep goin...who's trashing the thread now?

I'm not a know it all, Im a know-a-lot who has taste. My apologies for being so fly.

I love the keys, too bad we don't have the beer though Oh wait Molson Ice we can get lol.


Apology accepted

GSP will attatch to egg crate. If you get some nice bright matts of some green starts and blue cloves, and let them take over on the egg crates I think it would look pretty cool.


Really? ####... nope guess not.

Lmao.
BTW I think the gsp would look very dope, but would take up very valuable frag plug real estate, but you have given me an idea...maybe let it grow on the bottom of the tank...

mmm... Stock Ale.

omg so good, had that this weekend.

GSP will grow on the bottom of the tank, but i would recommend making the bottom glass gritty with sandpaper. Also it would be a biznitch to get it off if you ever tore down the tank oh and it'll propbably take around 5-6 years for it to grow across the entire floor

Heres a tip: Paint the eggcrate and solve your problems beforehand.

There are allot of compounds out there that are not 'reef safe'. This means that the chemical composition of the compound can/will hurt fish and invertebrates and/or can be used by various unwanted things (algae) as a food source.

For example that foam most likely contains Si aka silicate which is one of the things that Diatom's use to build their skeletons. So if that foam isn't sealed correctly and that silicate begins to bleed out of the foam into the tank he will have a diatom outbreak that will be very hard to control and eradicate. Another example would be copper. Many compounds contain copper which can be fatal to invertebrates if it enters the tank.

Sorry "dude"...

Where'd you dive off? I go to school at MAST Academy, right at Virginia Key. We have a lot of snorkel trips around Biscayne National Park and Soldier Key for Coral research with RSMAS. It is pretty lucky...must have been a trip from Toronto though

Go away


thats why I was nervous about drilling into the foam and not being able to seal the insides effectively.