I feel your pain. If you do a 5+ order, the price is 99.95 (plus any applicable upcharges). The credit can be applied after the order. We will make a note of this on the ordering page.

Chris

Evil,
Can I still buy a pico led for my 3 gallon? I wasnt sure since the bulk sale was over? If so where at? Also would 1 20K be enough for the tank?

Which one? The PAR20 or the PAR38? PAR20s won't be back up for sale until the new year. PAR38s should be available again soon. We are waiting for our next batch to come in.

Will these work in your par38 fixture?


http://glassbox-design.com/2009/cree-xp-g/

No. Totally different footprint LED. Requires different optics too.

Are the XREs interchangeable in the par38? Does it require soldering?

Thanks

XR-Es are interchangeable in these, and they most certainly require soldering. These are not individual star pcbs in here, so it requires reflow soldering.

Which ever would be more benefital for keeping any type of coral from zoa and mushrooms to some hard stuff.

OK, so here's a question:

I'm planning a future project (like, next summer or fall) that will be a 12g tank with the following dimensions: 36" x 9.5" x 8.5". It seems like 3 of the PAR38 lights would cover everything brilliantly, but I'm wondering if two might be sufficient... my hope would be do focus on SPS in the brighter spots, and lower-light corals (or maybe even open space) in between. Does that seem doable? Or will I be better off with 3?


EDIT: nevermind, I think I just found my answer on page 18...

The PAR38 would be better. You get more coverage and higher output. You would need twoPAR20s on a 3g pico.


Don't know what answer you found, but you would need three.

Do you know if any of the PAR 38 will be avaliable to buy around November 20th? I think I know what I'm getting myself for my birthday

Oh yeah. We are expecting lamps back in before the end of the week.

ooooh yeaaaaaahhhh.

Oooooohhh Yeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!


Haha!

Our manufacturer dropped a nice little surprise on our doorstep when we got the new batch in: MOAR POWER!!

They upped the wattage from about 15W to about 21W. This is netting a pretty healthy increase in PAR with the 40 degree optics. Over the weekend I did a few measurements

15W lamp @ 18": 315 PAR
21W lamp @ 18": 425 PAR

As a result of this new found power, we are looking into offering new wider lens options so you don't have to hang them as high off the tank.

WOAH!!! I'm almost glad I don't have any picos right now....otherwise I would be forced to buy one of these So tempting....

:poke: :poke:

The new wattage is making these into a bit of a PAR monster. These will be great for deep tanks. Spotlighting anyway.

I asked about the wider optics earlier I believe and this is just what I've been waiting for. More power and 80 degree optics = I'm there. Let me know!

Well, stay tuned. We still have to work out the details on that. I'll post here and in the sponsor forums when those options become available.

do you still have the par 20 bulbs? all i see on nanotuners is the par 38 which i think is awesome but i'm only making a 3 gallon pico with ricordea and zoas only.

Evil - what would be the effect of adding a red bulb to the mix? What coloration differences would you get? I saw the new options up on nanotuners and was just wondering what the benefit would be.

It's not going to add much for color rendering (at least in my experience so far), but will add a slight red/purple tint to the light. Still fine tuning that though.

Cool - i went with the 20k. I don't think the wife would allow a more purplish light.

yes! I'm looking forward to a wider lens option myself!

Hmm, glad I waited to order, now I wonder if I only need one and hang it a bit higher for a 20x16x8 tank, after sand and rimless my water column is only about 6.5 inches. Not worried about getting light to the bottom.

With that said, I don't want to provide to much light either, It might house one clam in the center which will have the most light if I used one bulb, and since the tank is all softies and some lps i don't want too much light either.

First off, I'm a hobbyist, so I know what its like to buy something and find out a week later that a newer, more powerful version is available.

My pocketbook won't like it, but I have to do whats right.

If you purchased a version 1.0 PAR 38 from us, we are offering you a low cost upgrade. Simply cover the shipping to and fro, and we will get you a new lamp.

It's that simple.

We will refurb/clean up any units and resell them in our clearance section at added discount. We want to keep our customers happy.

I haven't made this an official email yet, so spread the word if you know of anyone who has one.

^^^ See, now that's how a company should be ...much respect ^^^

I'm hoping to get full measurements of PAR and coverage area for all the lens options this weekend. I'll post here when I'm done.

Looking forward to it!

Everything reacting ok so far?

My sps seem to be liking things so far, but I'm not dosing yet either. I have a little nub of purple bonsai that is looking pretty happy. It's staying a lot more purple than under the 150W MH (more blue base, but puple growth).

They all had good PE yesterday, but I didn't run the light for long. Today will be the first full photoperiod with the new light, so I'll post results. The coloration is fantastic though. Those royal blues really make them pop.

wow, look at the reflection of the water on the ceiling! Is it THAT purple in person though or is your white balance off? To me that looks almost like pure actinic.

the white balance is a bit off in those pics - it's not quite as purple in person, but to be honest those pics come pretty close. It's more of a true 20k. And the shimmer on the ceiling is unreal!


Oh evil, the wife loved the light. win.

also, i'll be posting a vid later of the shimmer and the tank if the iPhone can capture it.

hey evil are there any of these available still? thanks!

www.nanocustoms.com

that's where I got mine.

If it passes the wife test, all is good


The Nanotuners site has them too.

First off, what outstanding customer service! If more companies operated like you guys they wouldn't have to worry about losing customers because another retailer has an item for $1.00 less. Offers such as this breed customer loyalty.

What about returning my 15 and 21 watt version, ugrading the 15 to a 21 and having wider optics installed on both? What kind of cost would be involved there (excluding shipping)? Are the optics something your non-LED DIYer could change out? Thanks, guys.

Nice pic's DHaut, what is the width of that tank? Im considering one of these LEDs for my BC14
and just not sure if one will do or if I need 2.

That's evil's call. one would work, imo. my tank is 12x13.

You could just about get away with 1. If you wait a little while until we get the wider optic option, you will have the same coverage, without having to have the lamp so high. It's all going to depend on how you want to mount it. Keep in mind that it will not be the same lighting wise as a full LED retro. It's going to have decent coverage, and good PAR, but it will have a considerably different look. If you are looking to keep the same kind of look as the stock lights, but just switch to LEDs, then this is not for you. This setup creates far more dramatic shadows and a far different look, as I'm sure DHaut will attest to.

is there a way that i could mount it that didnt require it hanging ? besides a ugly desk lamp i would like one if i didnt have to do this lol

yes, the shadowing is WAY more pronounced, which I much prefer to the harsh MH I had. It's a more natural feeling. One thing I'm wondering is if the spotlight creates some lighting "dead spots" in the tank due to the shadows, but only time will tell that. Even so, I would still go with the bulb again if I had to do over - it's a really great look. The wife said "well it certainly makes the tank look pretty!" Sold.

Evil, are you going to run new PAR measurements with the new bulb shipment to see how the power increase changed things? I wish I had a par meter to check out the coverage for my tank. The corals seem to like it so far though.

now i thought my tank was gonna be HOT!

but now in comparison to that pic, it has become an epic fail............DUDE thats $%#*@$* SWEET!

naw dude, get those LEDs over that pico and let that baby shine!

well i think im gonna try to do it your way dhaut it looks frickin sweet

thanks man - that pendant is really cheap and easy to hang. I didn't even cut into the drywall - just screwed it to the ceiling and ran the cord out the back. As long as you can do some basic electrical work (splice an extension cord onto the pendant cord) you're good.

DHaut, that really does look great over your tank! The shadowing is very dramatic, which I like. That's what I'd expect given these are more of a point-source compared to a relatively large MH fixture and bulb.

Really looking forward to the wider optics as I'd like to have it lower if possible.

well how high is the bulb from the top of the tank? If it's less than 12" i can deal with it. but if it's like 20" thats kinda high