Hi Anne, IMO you should start to build the colony of bacteria first, but this is not necessary. You can do the vodka first without harm.

I am going to continue to post up some of my research as I go back through it until DH tells me enough, stop, my head is exploding.

Here is an excerpt from an article that really hits home what the heterotrophic bacteria does on the reef. I bolded the parts that really hit home with me.

"Via heterotrophic bacteria and microscopic bacteriovores, such as protozoans and meiofauna, the microbial loop efficiently recycles dissolved organic matter (DOM) that leaks from primary producers (such as algae, photosynthetic bacteria, corals, etc.). Heterotrophic bacteria are mainly sinks as they mineralize more than 50% of assimilated DOM). As shown in fig.1.3b, the microbial loop is responsible for the decomposition of almost all of the organic material reaching coral-reef surfaces. Yet still, the microbial loop supports much growth at higher trophic levels, leaving little to be buried as organic sediment1.16b Since microbes are R-strategists, they not only have fast generation times but also have large surface to volume ratios.1.16c This enables them to respond rapidly in numerical and metabolic terms to changes in the supply and quality of organic material"


And here is the entire article, for those academics that can stand it. It tells a lot more than just the discussion of bacteria but also how the planet works to help give the reefs a place to live.

http://www.sbg.ac.at/ipk/avstudio/pierofun/reefs/ch1.htm

D's Head =

I keep waiting for a PM from him permanently banninating me from his thread!

Thanks!


Two donuts sound good--just wondering if your arteries will asplode before your head does Thanks for the info on Gotham, very cool. I'll PM him.



Thanks Henry! I consider myself a bit of a research junkie, and love reading these articles, but I have to admit, they're hard for me to fully comprehend. My neurons don't fire as quickly as they used to.

lol.

i can hang with you guys intellectually, don't you worry. henry can keep posting as much info as he wants on this stuff. i'm learning a lot.



They're from Zaro's

I gotta break down and get a skimmer for my tank. Daughters tank is doing great without one...............

Go figure.

And the difference between the husbandry or bioloading of the two tanks is??????????????

A WHALE SHARK

Hey Anne, you want to split a Mr. Coral order with me? We can get 13 $10 frags and get free shipping...

Let me know how many of the 13 you would want, and then I'll check my budget.

If you're donut dosing-you need to make sure your latte uses good skim......(/groan, apologies)

NOOB GTFO!!!



Anne, I could do up to 8, I think. No worries if you can't swing it right now. I'll talk to David or Donald to see if they're interested.

First off ... Quit beating up the woman at the doughnut shop ... is the second doughnut really worth it?!

Next ... Tito (Gotham Aquatics) will definitely deliver if he is making stops in your area ... he delivered salt and the large mb7 amongst a bunch of other things to me all the way out in Queens. His prices are great for anything and everything. Almost like he hijacked a large shipment and pawning them off from his home ... kidding ... kidding.




I will check out his site now and see what he has.

Can you give me a couple of hours to count my pennies? I'll let you know by...2PM, is that ok? I would love to grab this opportunity.

his $10 is nice, but if you want another piece from another area, more power too you. I'm trying to spend around $75.

Absolutely - we don't have to order today. In fact, I wasn't even planning on it - I was going to try to get an order in over the weekend maybe. I gotta check his $10 to see what interests me.

I also noticed something ... 18000+ posts ... WoW ... and are any of them relevant to keeping a fish tank? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ... Just kidding Big D

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Henry do you have any more articles like the last one. Please.

What interested you about it?

I'm a noob. so any thing that can fix that.

Well, you have to start slow. Make sure the mood is right. Candles help, and sometimes light music.

wait wat?

I could use a little mood music right now. Of course, at the moment the right mood music would probably be the Ramones.

Sorry, D. Got sidetracked, as usual. I still have to check out his site, after I get my laundry.

I'll split a mr coral order, who wants to meet in Albany to split it up????

Drive to the city slacker.

BAH. I'd rather pay shipping

I would be VERY careful about gettting the 10 dollar frags............. He is still a chop shop and his tubs are full of pest. I know because I've seen it first hand

I've been itching to try out my Coral Rx...

What pests?

I know flatworms atleast. He does have good deals. Im lucky that I can go there and look for myself. I will say that I am VERY picky when buying in store.

Also keep in mind that the coral you get from him will not be as "colorful" as the pictures. This was an issue on the local forum.

Adam (divejc) just gave a pretty good review this morning on his order. I dip everything I get for pests, so I'm not that worried about those. But to be honest, the markup in NYC is so much that even if the colors aren't quite as pictured on his site, they're still way better than I could get locally.

Im not trying to talk you out it, but make you aware of his practices. He does not QT and some frags are healed, most are fresh cut............

I should add that I've gotten very nice corals at good prices. His BOGO are the best.

I just had a thought about dosing - when I go on vacation this T-giving and Christmas, I won't have anyone around to dose. Does it matter if I miss a few days of dosing?

I almost crashed my 37 one time when I ran out of two part for 4 days. It was chock full of SPS though.

I'm back! Didja miss me yet? Sick girl here today, not fun.

Anyway, D, I can do up to 5 frags. I bought Coral Revive when I was at the swap, is that enough of a dip? If not, I'll have to pass or do less frags. Always a juggling act.

Mmmm, I have no idea about dosing and going away. I assume a couple of days would be fine, more than that I won't guess.

BTW, I did pm Gotham on MR, he's supposed to call me when he knows he'll be in my neighborhood. Thanks for the tip!

I was talking more about MB7/vodka. I don't dose 2-part consistantly right now - the SPS haven't grown out yet.

Like you said D, I'm really happy with what I got and 4 out of the 5 frags looked better under my lighting. But of course these are 5 out of what I'm sure are a TON of frags.

DT - thanks for the heads up on looking for pests from him. I've been pretty religious about dipping all coral that I get but there are always others who don't and you always run the risk of some slipping through.

The acans are definitely fresh cut frags but considering the great price I figured I'd give it a whirl.

Anne - 5 frags, eh? Sweet - we'll split it 5 and 8 and make the min. shipping amount. I'll see if David wants in for anything and then we'll place the order tomorrow. PM me what 5 frags you want. I guess we'll ship to your place again given that it's hardest for you to meet somewhere, as long as you can keep my frags floating and warm until I get there.

Neatogroovycool, man.

I would love to take advantage of the chance to get $10 SPS, but they look like they're about 1/3 of an inch. Yeah, I know, what do you expect for 10 bucks, but...

So, is Coral Revive a good enough dip for pests?

I would make a joke about keeping your goodies toasty, but then I'd have to change my username to Mrs Robinson.

I don't know on the Revive. Maybe someone else can chime in.

You gotta start somewhere with those SPS!. Someday they could be huge beautiful acro colonies!

I'll def be picking up some SPS.

Holy cow this thread moves fast! If you all don't mind me chiming in, I'd like to know if anyone has noticed any difference in zoanthid growth rates as a result of dosing? With dosing reducing nutrient levels to zero or near zero, I'm curious as to how that affects the growth of corals that are usually known as preferring "dirty" water. While I realize that doesn't exactly translate to nitrate and phosphate levels, the two are still related. Henry, I believe that you are or were keeping some zoas in your aquarium? Anybody else?

Coral Revive will kill pests

thanks dt!

Randy, I have a few Zoas, no big mats of gorgeous ones like you, and I have noticed no plus or minus. I don't spot feed anything, I just my few Zoas, Gorgs, and LPS grab what they can from the water column.

I petered out on the 4th page, and I don't know any of the players, but I did find this thread that has an opposite view of mb7.

I figured I'd post it here since we're having this conversation, and I'll never find it again on my own.

Coral Revive is great for the purpose, I would personally feel very comfortable using that.
It has now become one of my favorite dips for pests.

I think of the pinesol lady when I use it.