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andykee
QUOTE (seahorsedreams @ Aug 5 2009, 09:23 AM) *
I was never super excited about the 28-300mm. I bought it originally many moons ago for either the Elan 3e or the 7e. It was great with the film camera... but it never popped with the digital. But I haven't tried it with this camera.

I try to use my 50mm like an all purpose lens... but everyone's rooms are too small for me to use it sensibly happy.gif

I'm guessing that the 5d2 will probably out-resolve your 28-300 and you'll end up with soft images. That's the problem with your situation... IMO, your glass doesn't really match the level of your camera. High-end lenses matter a whole lot more than a high-end body, so I'd suggest starting to save for a quality lens walkaround lens for your body.
seahorsedreams
Can you tell my husband for me please.
TriggerHappyDude
QUOTE (andykee @ Aug 5 2009, 12:32 PM) *
I'm guessing that the 5d2 will probably out-resolve your 28-300 and you'll end up with soft images. That's the problem with your situation... IMO, your glass doesn't really match the level of your camera. High-end lenses matter a whole lot more than a high-end body, so I'd suggest starting to save for a quality lens walkaround lens for your body.


+1 agreed. If you get the kit, that comes with the 24-105 L, thats a great start and smart one.
seahorsedreams
I already have the body.
TriggerHappyDude
QUOTE (seahorsedreams @ Aug 5 2009, 01:07 PM) *
I already have the body.


DOH! Ok...sorry I didn't realize that. Well, I bought the body first and then added the 24-70mm and love the shots I'm getting, the Ls really put the quality where the $$$ is.
andykee
just keep the 50/1.4 on there for the time being. should be fine until you have the money for nicer glass.
seahorsedreams
Has anyone gotten any decent videos from this thing?

I can split any scenes because it shuts down the Windows Movie Maker. I downloaded Pinnacle VideoSpin and it doesn't recognize the files on the disk.
TriggerHappyDude
QUOTE (seahorsedreams @ Aug 10 2009, 08:40 AM) *
Has anyone gotten any decent videos from this thing?

I can split any scenes because it shuts down the Windows Movie Maker. I downloaded Pinnacle VideoSpin and it doesn't recognize the files on the disk.


I'm not sure Windows Movie Maker is the right tool for this cameras files.
I haven't started trying to work with any video yet on my slow old PC.
A software package I've read about many times that converts to file to something more useable is called Cineform NeoSCENE...its fairly cheap to get the video file into a good format to use on the PC.

There are lots of places you can go to find out and ask questions from those people using the 5D Mark II for video...

Here are lots of great examples of video done on the 5DMKII...
http://www.vimeo.com/videos/search:Canon%205D%20Mark%20II

Here is a forum on Cinema 5D with PC Editing in mind...
http://www.cinema5d.com/viewforum.php?f=29...a4ad912b70466d5

Other resources with Canon 5D Mark II specific threads...

http://www.dvinfo.net/

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/

But again, I think the NeoScene is the one you want...
http://www.videoguys.com/Item/CineForm+Neo...3435F454E4.aspx

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seahorsedreams
The video sucks.
Rehype
Do you mean overall video quality or the ability to edit?
seahorsedreams
I can't get a tank video to save my life. Think it's in focus and then you watch it... yikes. I'm buying a "real" camcorder.
TriggerHappyDude
QUOTE (seahorsedreams @ Nov 2 2009, 06:21 PM) *
I can't get a tank video to save my life. Think it's in focus and then you watch it... yikes. I'm buying a "real" camcorder.


Ha, if you think the 5D Mark II video sucks, you are mistaken.
There is plenty of evidence out there of how extremely awesome the video is.
There is something you are not doing that is probably causing you problems.

QUOTE (seahorsedreams @ Aug 10 2009, 07:40 AM) *
Has anyone gotten any decent videos from this thing?

I can split any scenes because it shuts down the Windows Movie Maker. I downloaded Pinnacle VideoSpin and it doesn't recognize the files on the disk.


This could be your problem...
Rehype
QUOTE (seahorsedreams @ Nov 2 2009, 07:21 PM) *
I can't get a tank video to save my life. Think it's in focus and then you watch it... yikes. I'm buying a "real" camcorder.


Post your settings renee. I might be able to help
seahorsedreams
Okay, it's me. But I want to hit record and catch a video. Regular camcorders will do that for me. But I didn't buy this camera for it's video features.

My problem is everything looks in focus in the viewfinder and then you go back and watch it on the PC and it's not even close.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfGaYyl-J5Q

TriggerHappyDude
QUOTE (seahorsedreams @ Nov 2 2009, 06:34 PM) *
Okay, it's me. But I want to hit record and catch a video. Regular camcorders will do that for me. But I didn't buy this camera for it's video features.

My problem is everything looks in focus in the viewfinder and then you go back and watch it on the PC and it's not even close.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfGaYyl-J5Q


Humm, very odd, what about the LCD Live View are you using that during video mode? Not the real view finder right?
seahorsedreams
Oops, I just came back in to edit that. It looks in focus in the LCD Live View.
Rehype
What lens and whats the aperture set to? You need to stop the lens down to gain greater depth of field. This would help to get most of the tank in focus.However there is a trick to do this since the 5D doesnt currently allow manual aperture control. Do a quick google search
seahorsedreams
I'm not sure what my settings were at that time. I should have known there was a trick......
05XRunner
QUOTE (Rehype @ Nov 2 2009, 07:44 PM) *
What lens and whats the aperture set to? You need to stop the lens down to gain greater depth of field. This would help to get most of the tank in focus.However there is a trick to do this since the 5D doesnt currently allow manual aperture control. Do a quick google search

yes it does..they released the firmware a while ago that gives you full manual control in video.
Rehype
QUOTE (05XRunner @ Nov 2 2009, 07:56 PM) *
yes it does..they released the firmware a while ago that gives you full manual control in video.



oh my fault. Thanks 05x. Well in that case stop the lens down to F5.6 or F.8 for greater DOF and it will be alot easier to get your fish in focus.
seahorsedreams
How do y'all tell if something is in focus by looking at the screen?
Rehype
Well i would recommend using live view since its the most accurate way of confirming focus.
seahorsedreams
Isn't live view looking at the LCD screen?
Rehype
QUOTE (seahorsedreams @ Nov 2 2009, 08:44 PM) *
Isn't live view looking at the LCD screen?



Yep. I just wanted to confirm you are manually focusing using live view.
seahorsedreams
I get better results with my old Hi 8 camcorder!

Yuck this is bad. I'll be the first to admit I know nothing about videos. But I figured a camcorder in a camera couldn't be that complicated. O.O

wfournier
The 5D Mk II is not a camcorder, yes it does have some of the functionality of a camcorder, but it is more of a manual video camera when it comes to the video. If you wanted a camcorder, buy a camcorder, don't buy something that is not a camcorder and then bash it when you find out it is note a camcorder.
seahorsedreams
QUOTE (wfournier @ Nov 2 2009, 07:11 PM) *
The 5D Mk II is not a camcorder, yes it does have some of the functionality of a camcorder, but it is more of a manual video camera when it comes to the video. If you wanted a camcorder, buy a camcorder, don't buy something that is not a camcorder and then bash it when you find out it is note a camcorder.


Chill. Take a Tums. I don't think my thread is going to make the Canon stocks bottom out. If you're gonna be a b!tch out of the blue in the lounge, at least make your post something funny and politically incorrect, not a weak lecture from my senile Grandma.
Rehype
oh snap!

QUOTE (seahorsedreams @ Nov 2 2009, 10:04 PM) *
I get better results with my old Hi 8 camcorder!

Yuck this is bad. I'll be the first to admit I know nothing about videos. But I figured a camcorder in a camera couldn't be that complicated. O.O



Hey Renee what software are you using to edit the videos? Ill be the first to admit its not easy to use an slr for video. But practice makes perfect and if you stick with it you can get some stellar results. JMO
seahorsedreams
I'm using a high tech expensive program... Windows Movie Maker :-) I really just want to get some good video of the tanks and some up close and personals with some of the fish... oh, and maybe a shot of the kids if they are doing something cute.... or something really stupid.

If this isn't possible for an amateur, I will get an actual camcorder. But I would really like to video some of the behaviors of my fish.... with whatever would suit my purpose better.

Do you have program suggestions, something that would work if I wound up getting a HD camcorder instead?
Rehype
QUOTE (seahorsedreams @ Nov 2 2009, 10:46 PM) *
I'm using a high tech expensive program... Windows Movie Maker :-) I really just want to get some good video of the tanks and some up close and personals with some of the fish... oh, and maybe a shot of the kids if they are doing something cute.... or something really stupid.

If this isn't possible for an amateur, I will get an actual camcorder. But I would really like to video some of the behaviors of my fish.... with whatever would suit my purpose better.

Do you have program suggestions, something that would work if I wound up getting a HD camcorder instead?




Ive heard sony vegas works really well for video editing on PC's. You should be able to get the results your looking for. Ive seen alot of really good small videos made on the 5D. I think its just a matter of mastering the technique for getting the best results. But if you decide to pick up a camcorder ive owned the canon Vixia HG21 and it produced some really great results.(in good lighting) So if your looking into a camcorder i would definitely recommend it.
seahorsedreams
I was looking at that camcorder!... the Vixias anyways.
TriggerHappyDude
From everything I've gathered, the 5D Mark II video is not the best camera for folks who want a quick video on a PC, I was able to get some quick video out of it, but not using Windows Movie Maker. I have Adobe Premiere, and other Adobe tools to convert the video to a viewable format. Once I get my Mac, it should be a lot easier to get workable video. You should spend some time on Cinema5D.com and read the forums there where they discuss using windows tools to import/export video. The quality of video issues you are having strongly suggest operator issues, because I know first hand, being new to the camera as well, that it shoots HD quality video just fine...some of my simple sample videos here on YouTube, no editing at all, just shoot and convert...but I have a pretty good low light lens, 24-70mm f/2.8L, so that makes a big difference...

My YouTube Videos

Make sure to click the "HD" option to view the HD version.

This is the forum for PC users on Cinema5d...
http://www.cinema5d.com/viewforum.php?f=29...6b7c2fa5509682e
TriggerHappyDude
QUOTE (seahorsedreams @ Nov 2 2009, 09:04 PM) *
I get better results with my old Hi 8 camcorder!

Yuck this is bad. I'll be the first to admit I know nothing about videos. But I figured a camcorder in a camera couldn't be that complicated. O.O


I don't think the video is that bad, especially for something converted .flv and uploaded to Photobucket.
Not sure what you are looking for? A true HD video is going to be very big in size and probably not going to be easy to upload to photobucket for viewing...

Do a search on ExposureRoom for Canon 5D Mark II and look how big some of the real videos are on there...you are complaining about a video that seems to have lost a lot of its HD quality when converting and putting up on the photobucket site, not sure its the best comparison to what the 5D Mark II actually gives you.

Can you please tell us what lens you are using as well?
I'd think to some really great video results of your tanks fish you should use a macro lens like the Canon 100mm or something...like this guy tested out...
http://exposureroom.com/members/Aseesl8er....d46b3101e7bf8e/
seahorsedreams
I'm using the Canon 100mm and the 50mm (1.4). I'm saving for the 24-105 L so I'll have a more general purpose lens.

I'm not looking for movie quality, but I honestly COULD get better videos with my Hi-8.

I have no doubt there are peeps that can make the video feature purrrr on this camera. I have no doubt I'll probably never be one of them :-)

If I could figure out how to keep the fish in focus I would be perfectly content. That's all I really want. When I was looking in the Live View screen it looked perfectly sharp and in focus. But then when you watch the video you can see they are not in focus at all. When a fish moves out of the set focus range you can't even tell if you are getting it back into focus or not by looking at the screen.
TriggerHappyDude
The 5D Mark II video mode isn't the best for fast quick auto focus so yeah, its not going to act like a camcorder in that aspect. However, I wonder why a nice lens, at the right settings, would not be good enough to keep your fish in focus when filming? Your examples so far have been quite far away from the tank, are you wanting closer shots or right where they are now in the examples?
andykee
QUOTE (seahorsedreams @ Nov 3 2009, 08:01 AM) *
I'm using the Canon 100mm and the 50mm (1.4). I'm saving for the 24-105 L so I'll have a more general purpose lens.

what aperture are you using when you're shooting. if you're shooting wide open, your DOF is going to be super thin (especially on that 50/1.4)

not sure how the movie mode works on that body, but i'd crank the ISO and stop the lens down to somewhere between f/8 if you can
TriggerHappyDude
Andy,

I'll do a test video tonight with those exact type settings and see what I get.
I have a 50mm 1.8, nifty fifty...and my 24-70, we'll see what my tank looks like.
seahorsedreams
Heh, I probably need to go back and look at my settings. I was taking pictures and had it set up for that. I can probably look at the pictures around the video to see what I was shooting at.

That's probably what's messing up my focus. I still wish I could see a little better with the screen.



QUOTE (TriggerHappyDude @ Nov 3 2009, 09:38 AM) *
The 5D Mark II video mode isn't the best for fast quick auto focus so yeah, its not going to act like a camcorder in that aspect. However, I wonder why a nice lens, at the right settings, would not be good enough to keep your fish in focus when filming? Your examples so far have been quite far away from the tank, are you wanting closer shots or right where they are now in the examples?


Closer shots. I'm going to be focusing on fish behaviour and traits.

This could be beyond my scope as well. I think I pull off some pretty good pictures at times of my fish, but that's because I practice really hard and read and practice some more. I get your basics, but I am in no form or fashion a "photographer".


Hellooooo pixel!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ4uJWYaFIs
Rehype
Hey Renee i just got a 7D but check out this little test vid i shot(Be sure to hit HD button) I took this with my canon 100 macro. You should be able to get nearly identical results with your 5DII.
TriggerHappyDude
Here is my test shot...it was set to "M" manual, at f/8, 1/100, ISO 3200, on the 5D Mark II.
I used Adobe Media Converter to create the YouTube HD clip.

Use the "HD" button to view the full HD version. Manually focusing can be tricky.

My Solana Tank Video Clip
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