It means he's selling them small so he can make room for more babies! That's how baby factories work, duh!

He's like the stork dropping baby clowns at your door stop.

no im leaving this week coming up the hatch went ok could have been better but im going to hatch a new clutch again sunday before i leave that should be the 7th day if not my buddy is gonna do it while im gone

Awesome. My tank should be well established by then. I hope I can get a pair from this batch.

I got my Fishies today!! THEY'RE SO CUTE ERIC YOU ROCK!

You didn't tell me how small they were going to be. I fed them crushed cyclopeeze 3x times today and ate all three times, and I fed them two little mysis cut up with scissors to the max, and they ate them too.

I think I lucked out but they're hungry little boogers.





In my display


Efxaristo Kriakus

Let them live free!

Thats way too scary!

Yeah mine have been little piggies with the proper foods. They're even eating crushed flake now too. Ill post pictures of mine by monday hopefully. The dominant one already has ALOT of black coming in, considering how long ive had her.

sweet well im so glad everyone is so happy, and i am leaving sunday i will be very upset that i will not see my clowns for two weeks maybe three. Im extremly nervous but im leaving them in a very trustworthy persons hands so they will be fine. I hope i talk to everyone soon. And i will be online evry day see ya yall

have fun wherever you're going!

Are you going to do the usual Island hopping Eric?

On another note,

ANyone else's pair keep sparring iwth each other? It's actually quiet cute. I just hope they don't kill each ohter. They keep rubbing heads together and then twirl and reminds me of twiddling my thumbs... really entertaining to watch, I wish I could get a video of it.

You can tell that mine are related. They are always battling and stealing food from each other but they always stick together.

Erik, you said you created naked ocellaris by taking the iodine out of the water. Have you created naked black ocellaris? what about naked onyx percs? do you have pictures of this research that you did?

Im actually going to crete for a week and then athens for two days, and then sparta where i am from for a week . two weddings three weeks lots of fun def lots of drinking lmao. I I have attempted the black occ with three clutches I succesfuly raised ten babies lol, small number but i think it had to do with water quality, maybe not growing right. The occ died at 2 months old and i had pictures on my old photobucket, and when i put them on there i took them off the computer when i was cleaning it for viruses and such. The blacks occ out of ten 6 had just head bars and 3 had nothing at all. Actually was very ugly, and i didnt even want to post pics because of their unusal dorsal shape and lower jaw ailment. I think it was just because i was messing around with the t3 maybe to much. I figured since i was letting clutches go and they were just getting eaten why not attemp to play with the eggs instead of just letting them go. I have not tried it with the onyx i have with reg occ and the same thing happend. A couple made it and then died off. i have run of triodo or t3 but i am going to try again in the future. I just didnt wnt to raise a storm with people thinking i chemically altered fish. I dont want that impression so i just stopped talking about it in general. I think that if your wasting eggs anyway why not try to do something wth them thats different, but i havent since maybe one day but not anytime soon.I know that the t3 is very expensive, like 400 for a ten cc bottle, and my buddy rapheal who is an inchtyilogist is playing with some eggs i dropped off to him so we will see. My friend has a pair of ORA naked clowns that breed for him and their completely naked but the babies all have come out full barred, not one shows any signs of a naked clown. so i dunno

Yeah, the bigger one is always nipping/threatening the little guy, especially during feeding time. She wants it ALL, poor thing, i have to make sure he gets some too. Eventually they cuddle down at night though.

Ummmm, I believe everyone was being civil

i was thinking the same thing....not to sure what he meant from that.


a buddy of mine in Alabama has some naked and his through nakeds, one bars, or full stripes. speaking of ichthyologist friends, you never gave me the information about the HCG treatment, you know, the hormones that you injected your fish with that was made from your wifes pee

i am meeting with rapheal when i get back and i will make sure ill email you all the info if he releases it to me

you told me it was an ichthyologist named raymond jenkins that made the HCG from your wifes pee, not raphael

Rocky what does it matter who did it. Jenkins is Raphael's partner they work in the same lab with 4 other gus. Does it matter who i get the info from. For your information since your the Breeder's FBI hes in germany right now doing smeinars so no i cant ask Jebnkins. I am meeting with Raphael for my own things that i want do discuss with him not about what information i have disclosed with him to share with you. Abd you know what since you know so much about breeding and you were part of whatever company you were part of why dont you know about it or for that matter why dont you know just one itchythiologist that will give you disclosed information. And if I might add do you really think that if i found the perfect way and easiest way to enduce a clownfish with pituaitary hormone I would share it with you. Id share it with anyone else but you. You were one of the TOOLS that tried me on mofib why dont you go back to mofib and ask your boyz how to do it. Stop buggin me man, i told you i would get the info for you and i was nice enough to say that after you ran your mouth. Now i aint even honna waste my time. This is a thread about onyx clowns not about some stroke that thinks hes a private investigator

oh i know exactly how to do it. i just wanted to see if you actually know what you were doing. and i don't think you have your information straight, a pituitary hormone injection comes from the hormones that are produced by carp. and HCG injection is something completely different, but i guess you know that since you got it from your wifes "pee"

you sure do get awfully fussy, which is what happened on MOFIB. you said you werte breeding you snowflakes all the time and producing a lot of snowflakes so i just asked for pictures of juvenile snowflakes (which would be so cool to see the development). then you got fussy and got yourself kicked off, i never "tried" you. and that is straight from the "FBI breeders" mouth

INDUCED SPAWNING BY USING HCG PRODUCED FROM URINE OF PREGNANT WOMEN
Manob Tangtrongpiros, Khamchai Lawonyawut
Sujin Nukwan

ABSTRACT

The experiments were carried out by the biologists in the Aquaculture Research Group, of the National Inland Fisheries Institute. Urine was collected from pregnant women during 2–3 months of gestation at Rajavidhi Hospital. The crude hormone was extracted by acetone precipitation method. Hormone powder was obtained by using freeze drier technique. The amount of HCG was measured by Double Antibody Quantitative HCG Radioimmunoassay. Hormone was kept in the vials with 5,000 IU per vial. Total amount of 156 vials or 780,000 IU were produced during December 1986 – July 1987. The cost of hormone production per vial was 7.12 baht. Produced hormone can be used effectively for induced spawning of all types of catfish such as Clarias macrocephalus, Clarias batrachus and Pangasius sutchi.

INTRODUCTION

Artificial breeding method by injection with fish pituitary gland extract, sometimes combined with chorionic gonadotropin, is widely used in Thailand. The insufficient supply and low quality of pituitary gland are the main constraints. Imported chorionic gonadotropin is not cost effective. Therefore HCG from pregnant women might be used instead.

OBJECTIVES

Find out the appropriate method to produce crude HCG.

Compare the efficiency and cost effectiveness of HCG from this source with other types of hormone.

Observe the live span of HCG.

METHODS

Urine from 2–3 months pregnant women obtained from Rajavidhi Hospital during December 1986 to July 1987. HCG was extracted by precipitation with acetone at the ratio of 1 part urine and 2 parts acetone, shaken for 10 min kept at 4°C, and the clear solution poured out. The precipitable part was collected by centrifuge at 4,000 rpm for 10 min and then filtered through Whitman No. 41. The precipitate was kept at 4°C until used. The crude HCG freeze dried for 20 hrs. HCG was kept in vial with 0.01 gm/vial. The concentration of HCG was measured by Double Antibody Quantitative HCG Radioimunoassay.

RESULTS

Crude HCG production - The 156 vials of HCG were produced during December 1986 and July 1987. The concentration is 5,000 IU/vial. One liter of urine can produce 50,000 IU of HCG.

Effect of HCG - Induced spawning with HCG was tested with 4 species, namely Clarias, Pangasius, Rohu and Puntius. The results are shown in Table 1.

Production cost - Production cost at one time to get 56 vials with 5,000 IU/vial. Total HCG concentration was 280,000 IU. Cost of 11.2 liters of acetone, 298.67 Baht, laboratory cost 100 Baht. Cost per IU was 0.0014 Baht. Production per vial (5,000 IU) was 7.12 Baht.

Effectiveness - Urine from first 2–3 months of pregnancy are recommended for HCG extraction; collection therefore should be timely. The doses of 2,000 – 8,000 IU/kg of spawner are appropriate for Clarias, Pangasius and Mystus. HCG had no effect on Puntius and Rohu. Induced spawning of C. macrocephalus cost 14–15 Baht with the use of HCG

http://www.jbc.org/cgi/reprint/101/1/1.pdf heres another link tough guy

And rocky if you want actualy proof because he will send you proof ask colby or Erik over at dyer aqua,
Good luck rocky I wish you the best jealousy is a very difficult thing to overcome i recomend Maybe a counsler the may help you


AND TO EVERYONE ELSE I AM OFF TO EUROPE SO HAVE FUN AND ILL TALK TO YALL WHILE IM OUT THERE SEE YA

Take care, Pal. Have a nice trip!

Yes, Carp Pituitary glands are freuently used to induce spawning in many species of fish, however as Erik pointed out HCG can be used as well.

There actually many very interesting papers on the subject and it is being explored at many universities as a more economic approach for developing countries.

Colby

colby, have you used this on clownfish? i have used both methods on cobia, pompano, catfish, eels, flounder, m.sebae, m.argentus, carp (koi), tuna, tilapia, saltwater angels (grey), baramundi, and pacu. i just don't buy it that Erik ever used it on clownfish. but maybe he did, i have no idea, his stories just don't match up. also, pretty confident the only fish this guy has ever spawned are: maroon and onyx. can he show proof of breeding anything else? yes, i know he has had some very unsucessful spawns of common ocellaris and snowflake....but still, unsucessful. a lot of talk. however, with all of that being said, he does have some nice onyx available. but he his probably selling them illegally. i doubt that he has a retail license to sell saltwter products retail or wholesale, and no aquaculture certification from the state of florida (which would require an inspection of facilites every six months no matter what state you live in, according to USDA protocol) so illegal sales of fish. hope he doesn't get caught!!!!! you know how the govenment deals with things when they don't get their money

People with ulterior motives suck.

This entire thread is about his breeding Onyx and you admit he breeds them... WTF is the problem? Everyone from NR that has a fish from this guy is happy. I'm happy to have met someone who is trying to save natural reef habitat by not taking fish from them. You are a complete #######. We have all had enough of your ######. If he is selling Onyx clowns illegally in Florida then that is between him and Florida and has nothing to do with us (I seriously doubt fish breeding in Florida is licensed in any way and I'm sure you would have notified the fish FBI by now if it was). At the end of the day they are still Onyx clowns that HE has bred. Not one person that has bought something from this guy has been unhappy. Why are you so angry? No matter what you do you can't be him.. Face it, after all of this you are still a looser.

Well I am going to sleep and i said wehy not jump on real quick before a long flight. Eocky I dont care anymmore about your acusations. I own two usinesses with over 3 million dollars a year in revenue, I know how to handle the government they dont handle me, thats why you pay an attorney, and your lawyer. Secondly i have looked into the liscening and I dont need it my friend. In the state of florida you have to do over 60,000 dollars of revenue before even thinking about a liscense, and for that matter as far as im concerned prove it, Losses come and go every day. I have plenty of ways to write my business of. 70,00 dollar f650 for example. Dont tell me about lisecenses and business my friend i do nothing illegally and everything according to what my lawyer tells me to do. Third as far as breeding clowns of different species i dont waste time with reg occ, tomatoes etc.. i give them away to people whern i want something they have or they want to start breeding. Ask colby how many pairs we have swapped or given away, call erik ask him or mark park if youd like. And last but not least this thread is about onyx clowns dont forget not about you trying to jack a thread with your spiteful mind. Its who you know in this world and I feed allot of important people in the state of florida. There are plenty of ways getting around minor stupid things that your talking aboout, and i will never run into problems or issues with what you have stated. Do you think that i havent looked into any of that lmao, I did make food called seamunchies, I had to get liscensed for it, the liscence and if you read the liscence agreements in tyhe3 state of florida can be combines with food as well. So yes my friend and thank you for caring I do have myself well taken care of. If you ever want advice feel free to stop by and ill show you a couple things. Thank you for being so concerned in my thread your opinions have been greatly appreciated and I wish you all the best thanks again Pal

Talk to you soon see ya
Thank you HSCEO I agree i dont see what I have done wrong I am very interactive with everyone and i have contacted everyone at least twice a month to see how everything is going I hope this guy gets the point and maybe grows up a lil

wow, that should stop him from talking for at least a year.
good job

edit: forgot the s in least

straight from floridaaquaculture.com

Q. Who needs an Aquaculture Certificate and how long will it take to get one?
A. Florida law requires that any person engaging in aquaculture must be certified by the department. The certification process will take less than one month.

Q. Do all aquafarms have to comply with the Best Management Practices (BMPs)? Will we be inspected?

A. Yes, by signing and submitting the Aquaculture Certification application, the farmer agrees to follow the approved Best Management Practices. An annual site inspection will be conducted by DACS staff to determine compliance with the BMPs.

Q. What are the consequences for a certified farmer not following BMPs?

A. Department staff will assist the farmer in determining how to modify the facility/operation so that it meets the BMP guidelines. The farmer will then be given a reasonable amount of time to make the necessary modifications and the facility will then be referred to multiple other state/local agencies for appropriate permits.

Q. What must I do to possess restricted non-native species?

A. Restricted non-native species include all species listed as restricted species in Rule 68A-23.008 (2) F.A.C. Possession by certified aquaculturists requires written authorization from FDACS and an on site inspection to verify that the facility meets the minimum requirements of the Restricted non-native species BMPs.

so yes, you need your license in florida if you breed one fish and sell it........i agree you have a saltwater products license, but according to the USDA you are still selling your fish illegally....whether you have a lawyer or not, big shot. and no i have not notified anyone. but if one keeps selling fish to locals, online, and lfs,someone will find out....or he will piss off the wrong person i am sure of it, especially from his actions on this forum. so yes, this is a thread about onyx clowns....but the illegal sale of them, and shouldn't this thread be mved to the "for sale" forum?

Rockyfish, I am afraid you are a bit confused.

There is a BIG difference between aquaculture and private ornamental aquaculture.

I suggest you do a little bit more research. BTW, clownfish are not a restricted species.

Colby

colby, i never said clownfish were a restricted species...that was just a copy and paste from the website. and there is no confusion, aquaculture is aquaculture no matter who you are.

I just want a fish

Rocky,

You seriously have to look more into it because there are certain terms and restrictions that you are leaving out. The term "Aquafarmer" denotes a LARGE set up and has nothing to do with the Ornamental Fish Industry.

I have read through the Florida Aquaculture Policy Act. It has nothing to do with breeding and selling clownfish as an Ornamental fish species. This Act is derived for Aquafarmers growing and harvesting shellfish, liverock and other aquatic organisms tied to the Department of Agriculture and the Environment.

So unless you want to eat your clownfish, this has nothing to do with the hobby breeding Erik is performing, well unless you would like to see him upscale it and give him access to tax dollars and extra funding which the program would allow should he chose to serious upscale production. But by the sounds of how you have been lately, I don't think you would want that.

I have to wonder what stakes you have in this to try to fight so hard against him suddenly. I have to wonder if you are indeed xunicornx just under a different username and trying to sound so logical spouting off this policy and that policy, but not really reading the information fully to understand the intricities of it. You are certainly not winning any friends.

I also have to state your information is flawed in another way as it means that if Erik had to go out and get this permits - which he doesn't - so would every person who keeps both freshwater and saltwater fish and corals. You see how much in this site people sell their coral frags from their own tanks, and god if you have freshwater guppies and cichlids you know how they breed and how their owners sell them to make a little money on the side. They all should be permitted too shouldn't they?? That is what you are stating since the policy doesn't differential between salt water and fresh water organisms. Wow.. just think of the tax credits everyone would get, and funding for larger tanks. That would be a huge disadvantage for the Florida government.

Rocky, just get over it already.I don't know what you problem is. Maybe he is your competition in the industry and you don't like it because he is selling them far cheaper than any retail store woud sell.
But Erik is doing nothing wrong nor illegal under the Florida government policies and acts. Like any hobbyist he is breeding because he loves to breed and he is selling them off to other hobbyists. If you don't like, suck it up buttercup. You don't have to participate in this forum.

wait a second... I wasn't supposed to eat the clownfish?

nebthet, i would like you to read page 2, question number 6.

http://www.floridaaquaculture.com/publicat...n%20Q&A.pdf

now, does Erik fall under this category?

another note i would like you to consider is that 95% of tropical/marine fish that are aquacultured in the U.S. come from Florida. tropical fish production is the number one over any of the other types of aquaculture in Florida.

rockyfish, i would like you to go away and hate somewhere else.

Yes Rockyfish, please GTFO!!! Take it up with him on e-mail or something, you are ruining this thread.

Happier note, my babies are getting bigger and eating all kinds of stuff. My girl was even wrestling with a piece of flake yesterday. Looked like a little puppy with a toy. No noticeable black yet but the orange is deeper and the white brighter, so darned cute!!!

I love 'em

Donna

i can't believe i totally missed this thread..... it may be a long shot but is there any more available?

Rocky... perhaps you need to stop being a dumbass for a second and actually READ the act.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index....3EChapter%20597

Hey everyone my name is Mike, I am the one watching over Erik's tanks while he is gone. He gave me permission if I had time to just jump online and let people know whats going on while he is away. I pulled some eggs for him today and they prehatched so some got lost. The good news is that his main Onyx are going to lay again in about two days or so. I have known Erik for 7 years and I feel so privelaged he picked me lol. NOT LIKE HE HAD A CHOICE. I have bred fish as well and I am the fabricator of all his crazy tanks lol. Anyway, I've read this Rocky guys thread, and its just highschool things that people do so whatever. And just so everyone is aware, Erik has looked into everything he needs to do what he is doing. I hope you all enjoy what he has to offer, because I know first hand that he works really hard for what he has. Anyway, best of luck and I will try to answer as much as I can for him, I will be at his house twice a day for the next two weeks.
Take care and God Bless

This topic is now re-opened, let's keep it civil.

Rockyfish, do not post in this thread again if you wish to remain an active member. I suggest you place christosclowns on your ignore list.

Tks to CM for reopening the thread.

Is this another attempt from another ORA person to try to take the little guy down again.

Thanks Chris!

thanks!

Lol, how about no.

Yaaaay!!! Thanks CM.

are there anymore for sale? id like a pair.

Erik is in Europe so don't expect an answer right away.

In post #450, I believe he said it might be 4 months.

That's correct, Scott, he did say earlier it was going to be another 4 months until the new batch is ready. You guys are so lucky you are able to get some. Living in Canada sort of sucks that way. The government will not allow us to import them unless it is business to business. .