I hope I can post this here if not please place it where it is supposed to go thank you















I hope yall enjoy

WOW

That's absolutely amazing, thank you so much for sharing it with us too. Looks like your gonna be a daddy soon (or mommy ). Those snowflakes go for quite a bit too, dont they?



Almost forgot, welcome to Nano-Reef

your picassos are fantastic, may I inquire where you got them?

What's your secret?

Congrats! Now the "real work" begins! It'll be interesting to see what the markings will be between a snowflake and a percula will be! Keep us updated!

thanks for sharing!pretty cool.
can't wait to see the markings on the babies..

Well thank you very much for your interest and I am so excited this was there first spawn and we will have to see what happens. I think the male is a lilttle uncertain on what to do he seems to be eating the eggs which i figured would happen since it is there first spawn. My onyx male ate the eggs for the first 4 spawns then he got the hang of it. Oh and these fish are both occelaris. The male is a snowflake variant but bloodline occelaris and mama dukes is a reg occelaris. My percula picassos look like this











Those are percula

And these are my other snowflakes figured id share

This is awesome. Gotta keep us posted. Thanks for sharing
Welcome to N-R

I am just as excited as you are lol. I am like a kid on christmas. I won two restaurants in the tampa area and I do this for fun. I cant wait to see there offspring and share them with the public. And I am very glad to be aprt of N-R I would love to get info on becoming a sponsor and raffle off some fish

That would be awesome, I know that a lot of people have trouble getting a hold of these rare color morphs of clowns.

You can PM Christopher Marks about sponsorship.
He is the site creator

Ocho Cinco the secret is patience. Seriously patience has allot to do with it but ill give you some advice form what I have seen works on making clowns spawn. I dont feed what normal people feed. All my breeders have the same diet. 6- 10 times a day. I feed them what they would eat in the wild, and people think that clowns eat shrimp, squid,mussels,etcc.. Krill lol. When does a clown see krill when there in two seperate parts of the world. I know yo might think im crazy and your gonna say that its to smal but my secret is cyclopeez. I power feed cyclopeez till they cant take anymore. And i also feed spectrum thera a pellet, but i soak it with selco, garlic, and astaxanthin. I dose my tanks with iodine every day. I keep a stable temp of 84-85 in all tanks. I run 16 hour light cycles. I want algae blooms and i also put soem rotifer in there tanks live rotifer. I have begun to think like a clown thats how crazy ive gotten lol. No seriously i should have made my name Clown Whisperer lol jk. You have to make them feel its ok to have babies. When there is a phyto bloom clowns know there wiull be food for there juveniles. Motherly instincts, I feel, afre in all species of fish and other animals but thats what I do. I do 50 percent water changes once a week they love it. If you have any questions feel free

Wow, thats great advice Christo, and makes perfect sense too (about the motherly instinct)... One day, I wanna try to breed clowns once I have enough room.

Great photos! Thank you so much for sharing those.

christclowns..... What is the lineage of your clowns? Are they ORA, Bonesreef, etc.? Just wondering, I've not seen ORAs' picassos or snowflakes look like that. BTW, the clowns in my avatar are ORA picassos.

WOW, you have some beautiful fish!

Basser you can call me Erik thats my nick name lol. Anyway your clowns are beautiful by the way, they look like they might just be old enough to spawn for you, how old are they? To answer you question my clowns are form my own broodstock. The picassos breeders came form a good friend of mine whos reg percs, not even picasso patterns through those picasso pattern fish I have. I couldnt believe it either it was very wierd, ud think picasso parents would only do that. His reg barred percs made those guys and the one with the mask. My snowflakes came from england about 2 years ago. I have no fish from ORA, nothing against them i just went to close friends for my rare clowns, Bill Addison at c quest and Morgan lidster for my black occ, reg occ, and of course My Onyx Clowns. Which are from the same litter that Rod Bhueler got his from. I f there is anything else youd like to know let me know bud see ya.

Oh and thank you Chaloupa

How about some pictures of the whole tank and setup?

christosclowns, out of curiosity, do you run the temperature so warm to induce spawning? Isn't it a bit high for every day?

I will post pictures of the whole set up this weekend maybe today for some reason last night got a lil silly since its new years and I think my digital has yager in it lol its not turning on. Anyway i turned the temp up to 84 85 to induce spawning yes. I think its actually great for everyday, I havent found any reason to lower it. Yes you do get cyano build up but that is a combo form both high temp and 16 hour light cycles. Oxygen depletion would be your main concern with high temp but if you have good water movement and a large pump your fine. I actually run the tanks 84 to 85 in the winter and 87 89 in the summer. Some people think im crazy but it works for me. It gets there metablism up and they eat lke pigs. I dont recommend for everyone because having these temperatures does increase the amount of water changes you have to do and it also increases algae bloom. I as far as from a coral perspective i owuld run your tanks cooler. Tanks with corals, inverts etc.. in my home are all 76 77 degrees they seem to thrive at that temp. Dont forget the tanks i have are acrylic runs like you would see in a shop with dividers and i will post pictures of them. I am currently building a new system so i will update when I am all done. I only run a clay pot and bare bottom no snails, no crabs, no cleaners. For clowns that havent spawned raising the temp and ding things I mentiond earlier in the post will enhace spawning

Erik, I think you gave me some insight as to why my clowns have not spawned yet. They are in my BC29 which has corals, inverts, and other fish. I keep the temps cooler than the 84 to 85 degrees that you do. I also feed them a couple of times a day with either brine or PE mysis shrimp. I have cyclopeeze and I may give that a try.
It's frustrating, because they go thru the "mating" dance every day, shimmying, twitching and cleaning surfaces. I've even seen them cleaning the back of the tank, they will take turns doing this verically. I've even placed a tile in there thinking maybe they will use it to lay their eggs on. Oh well, wishful thinking I guess!

Basser its difficult to raise your temp to 84 85 in a coral or inver tank because more thank likely they wont like it. Corals and inveets like it a bit cooler. Needless to say your clowns will spawn at lower temps ranging from 78 to 81 but it may take longer. They just might not be ready yet. The male is the female prob is not. I have a pair of blacks that are about a year and a half old they clean every day all day for the past 6 months and yet nothing. So dont feel discouraged it happens. Try to stay away form the brine it has no nutritional value. YOu should power feed the cyclopeeze and also feed rotifer to your tank. Some clowns just need the comfort zone. I started thinking like a fish lmao sorry to say that. Im like well if I was a chick and i wanted to have kids would i go ahead and have kids with no money no food on my table and a bunch of loonatics running around me prob not. In your case the clown being the chick she needs to feel comfortable. She needs to have a single pice of territory which she calls her home. And she needs to know that when she does produce there will be rotifer and food for her babies, Thats why higher temps work,. Higher temp you get algae bloom with algae bloom comes the finer foods in the wild like rotifer and plankton. I might sound a bit crazy but it makes sense. And trust me they will get full on cyclopeeze if you power feed it. If you have any questions let me know.

whats power feeding?

Power feeding is giving them small portions of food many times a day. I call it power feeding. I feed them at each meal enough to where they dont want anymore then 2 to three hours i give them more. This is my feeding cycle. I take cyclopeeze, freeze dried or reg and i put it in a bottle of water ro 12 oz. i put like 5 teaspoons of it. I sake it well the i do like two capfuls to three capfuls for each tank. I feed 7 am cyclopeeze. 10 am thera a pellet soaked with garlic, 1 pm frozen mysis, 3 pm spirulina brine, 5 pm my frozen concoction of shrimp and salmon, 8 pm mullet roe or any roe i got, 9pm pellet, 930 cyclopeeze, 10 pm mysis, before lights out at like quarter to 11 cclopeeze again. so they get a variety but i find they sometimes dont want one thing and want another. I f your clown spits what you want to feed out then starve them. I starve some pairs for 4 days and then introduce what i want them to eat they have no choice. So saying what I have said some people dont have time I have a wonderful wife who does some feedings when I am at my business and i set everything up for her. And by the way the male snowflake has officially ate all the eggs. Im gonna kill him lol jk. Im keeping my fingers crossed he gets the hang of what to do and stop being silly

I think we might have another nest soon she looks a bit bloaded yayyyyy!!!!!

Ok well she is really fat and any hour now or tomorrow awesome im excited another neston the way

taggin along for sure...... im setting up a breeding thing to for my clownfish but im starting with my occlereus

Have you raised a brood yet? I don't know if i missed that part. this is an amazing thread of a lady that raises snowflake and picassos. I want a pair like yours so bad that is the next big purchase! I'll follow your progress good luck!

http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/livest...-clownfish.html

I have not raised any form them yet this will be the first time form these two I have another pair of snowflakes that I have raised form but I had to move them into another system. I hope evryone follows im so excited I will be giving out One pair of snowflakes for free to a lucky person. When i have some from them I iwll take the people who are interested and put them all in a random picker and whos ever name comes out will get the pair for free. I will also do this frequently like evry month just a lil bonus for those who want some I htink it will be fun and I do this with all my pairs hope i see ya in the threads

well i will buy a pair from you like your percs...just let me know.

I am on board for the snowflake clowns raffle. They are so beautiful. Thanks for sharing. Do you perhaps have that fts?

ok whats fts lol im lost

FTS is "Full Tank Shot" or a picture of the whole tank.

Ok I am starting a list for the snaowflakes as well lets just hope i have some babies soon. This list will just be a guideline for myself so i can keep track of the people that are interested.

1. caddyshack
2. colgan10
3. SmittyCoco

this guy is just all lies. all he wants is your money. do not believe anything he says about these fish. those picassos are from ora. if you do your research you ll find out that he has lied to many people in the hobby. he is all just about getting your money and telling you what you want to hear.

Who are you?

Regardless... Add me to the list as "interested" christosclowns!

I posted on the other thread about the onyx. This is a scam. I posted on marinebreeder also. This guy is posting someones else pictures.

Are you guys serious omg my name is Erik

Hey, we're just trying to find out what the truth is since you have a very short history on Nano-Reef.com. Some guy comes in here and says you're trying to scam, any reasonable person will research to find out what your history is. Please don't take it personally.

My name is erik and thats that. heres new pix she layed tonight again











And the new system we built today ask star the guy in this thread we spoke today while i was bulding it and ask him what my name is to lol

Sweetness! Is that in your garage? Do you have ant trouble with temperatures?

Star where you at man

I messaged all the people on MARSH that you said could vouch for you. Hopefully I and everyone have made a mistake I apologize if thats the case and will delete my previous posts.

yes here in tampa it is frickin hott lol. Temp is a big thing so i went ahead and got a chiller that does heat as well it should be in tomorrow for now i ac the garage so it will save allot on electric bill. Oh and y the way im done with talkin abouth that nonsense but here is somewhat of proof from a administratot off marsh.



I respect your honesty ddr.phish and im glad you are looking out for your fellow hobbyists I guess I owuld do the same. I think i would pm the person but thats me. I hope you find what you need but I promise you I am who I am you guys can call me anytime. I am just trying to share what I have and enjoy the hobby and give these awesome fish to people and if no one wants them its ok i love em and ill keep em

what are your water parameters?!?!?

My water parameters please be specific and I will let you know are you reffering to amonia levels nitrite etc..

Re: Follow up on conversation‏
From: scooper52@aol.com
Sent: Sat 1/03/09 3:27 PM
To: christosclowns@hotmail.com

Erik,

Thanks for the feedback. He is looking for $200+$120 for shipping. I have a lfs that says they can get me a WC pair and it will be cheaper. He also said he could get a pair of Darwins from ORA. How are they as far as the fish go?

I like the videos of the snowflakes. That was cool.

Thanks again,

Scott


-----Original Message-----
From: Christos Papapanos <christosclowns@hotmail.com>
To: scooper52@aol.com
Sent: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 11:48 am
Subject: RE: Follow up on conversation

From: scooper52@aol.com
You may not know this sender.Mark as safe|Mark as unsafe
Sent: Thu 1/01/09 10:05 PM
To: christosclowns@hotmail.com

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Eric,

It was really great talking to you and I appreciate all the info. Nice pics of your fish. Hey, can you take a look at the pics I got on the Onyx pair for sale and let me know what you think. To follow is what he said about the pair

"I have been aqua culturing corals for years and prefer to stay with what I know. the male loves my torch coral and spends time cleaning areas on a smooth piece of rock by the coral. there have been no eggs laid yet but it feels as if there will be soon by the behavior of the clowns. The female is about 3 inches and the male is about 1.5 inches. The female has a black dorsal fin which is hard to find. Also the female has black lips a very rare trait found in onyx clowns. it looks as if she is wearing lipstick. I have only ever seen black lips on 1 other onyx clown. "

What do you think? I will talk to you soon.

Thanks,

Scott


those are two emails that i just copied and pasted thats one quick way to prove it

Oh and if you got to the onyx thread look at the pix I posted there is some proof there lol

I talked to Erik over the phone yesterday and he was very helpful. He was telling me all about his setup and how to start if I wanted to do it on my own. He even offered to walk me through the whole process if I needed any help.

hey Star did you see somewhat of how i set this thing up in the single cubicle system the refugeum and pump are in the two middle cubicles

Well I got a PM from a fellow MARSH member, looks like many people have ordered from him with great success. Sorry for jumping to conclusions Erik, but you have to understand, you joined on December 30th and then all the name changes, it was confusing. Hope you accept my apology

would like to be added on the list please...

Thanks...