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QUOTE (Jamie @ Jan 11 2009, 02:08 AM) *
ahhhhhh! Tidepooling was amazing!!!!!!

I ended up going to this place called The Three Graces in Tillamook (google it) which is brackish, but the life there was amazing. Barview would have been nice, but it's a jetty with 13 foot swell breaking over it, which would be unpleasant in the dark.

Anyways, I found these two anemones, and I don't know what either of them are! Not in my book, or on the internets! Well, one could be Anthopleura artemesia, but I don't think so - it's still closed up, so I can't tell, I'll get back to you on that one. But the other one is amazing! It's about 2 inches wide, and, just looking at the oral disk, looks almost exactly like some sort of urticina. Shorter and more numerous tentacles though (I think). But then on the sides, it's striped , like Epiactis prolifera (but the stripes aren't white, more green). It's sooo cool. Overal is sort of a tan-orange green color (hard to tell) but the oral disk has fine maroon lines running around the tentacles. Exactly like U. grebelnyi. Gah! I can't wait to put it in my tank. The other anemone is closed, but superficially looks kind of like a metridium, but it's not squishy enough, and has this sort of blue grey color near the top. No verrucae (maybe). white-ish.

And then there's the fish! There were all kinds of gunnels everywhere! I brought back, like, five or six, so some of you guys might have to take a few off my hands. wink.gif One of them is enormous, 8 inches long maybe, but it's so beautiful. It's light tan-green, but then right behind it's head it has this deep green patch with intense red mottled throughout it. It's a very small area on the fish, but it looks tight! I also found this really cool dark grey-and-white sculpin. Me and my dad were investigating a crack in a big rock, about 4 feet above the water, and this sculpin was just sitting in there, no water or anything! So we scooped him out and he's now in a bucket with the gunnels.

The water was a toasty 47 degrees, it has now warmed up to 50 in my basement (which is probably around 55-60). I will get pics once everything is in the tank tomorrow, I'm so excited!

Daniel, there actually were metridiums there, but they were so tiny and fragile that it was impossible to get them off the rocks without squishing them. sad.gif I also kind of forgot to get more elegants, but I have plenty at home that you can have. smile.gif and you get a gunnel, too, if you like.

yay! so happy! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif


Daniel says omgomgomg.gif "WANT!!!!!!"

laugh.gif laugh.gif

QUOTE (Lalani @ Jan 11 2009, 11:27 AM) *
And they (Daniel) say I'm tough when bugging people for pictures, lol.



Waiting... smile.gif


Me too.
dshnarw
QUOTE (Jamie @ Jan 11 2009, 02:08 AM) *
Daniel, there actually were metridiums there, but they were so tiny and fragile that it was impossible to get them off the rocks without squishing them. sad.gif I also kind of forgot to get more elegants, but I have plenty at home that you can have. smile.gif and you get a gunnel, too, if you like.


Thats okay, I'll take anything I can get and there'll be other opportunities for me to get some metridiums smile.gif Gunnel would be awesome - I need a fish in there biggrin.gif

QUOTE (Lalani @ Jan 11 2009, 11:27 AM) *
And they (Daniel) say I'm tough when bugging people for pictures, lol.


you're just upset you didnt beat everyone else to the punch that time tongue.gif

QUOTE (arwndsh @ Jan 11 2009, 12:31 PM) *
Daniel says omgomgomg.gif "WANT!!!!!!"

laugh.gif laugh.gif


This^^
Jamie
Pics! Unfortunately, they're not very good. My camera ran out of batteries, so I had to make do with what I had up to that point.

A terrible pic of the new nem (closed). You can see the stripes on the base. As you go up the column they turn into rows of dots. Once it opens I'll get another pic so you can see the oral disk. I think the other un id'd nem is A. artemesia, but no pic right now.


chitons!


old anemone


this is the nem from the diver's den, not as purple in my tank, but it's still nice


berries


gunnel/prickleback thing. This was the guy I was referring to as having red on him. As you can see, the cold was getting to me, he's definitely not very colorful, but he's still a cool fish. about 7 inches long (daniel, this may be the one you get)


sculpin - 3-4 inches long


lakshwadeep
Nems make me smile.gif
Lalani
I likes the chitons, lol
arwndsh
I don't know what I like better. I think its all awesome. biggrin.gif
jeremai
omgomgomg.gif


I gotta get a cold tank set up. tears01.gif
Jamie
Thanks all. smile.gif


QUOTE (jeremai @ Jan 12 2009, 01:05 PM) *
omgomgomg.gif


I gotta get a cold tank set up. tears01.gif


yes, yes you do.


Quick update - everything seems happy. The fish hide a lot, occasionally I'll see a head poking out of a a rock somewhere. tongue.gif They've changed color a lot, too. The pricleback you saw earlier is now almost black, with lighter patches - similar to the sculpin. The big one has been identified as a Black Prickleback, Xiphister atropurpureus (what is it with cw animals and painful latin names? rolleyes.gif ). The other two have not showed themselves in the tank enough to be ID'd yet. I saw (and caught a few) gunnels (either saddleback, Pholis ornata, or crescent, Pholis laeta), but I don't know if I brought any home - they're all the same in the dark, so I just picked three to keep arbitrarily and dumped out the rest. The sculpin is a Mosshead Sculpin - Clinocottus globiceps, and he has a funny little patch of fuzz on his head. happy.gif

The nem is not yet open, but I'm gonna feed him and see if that'll do the trick.
Jamie
Somewhat better pics of the new nem - can anyone Id it yet?





it opened enough to eat mysis today, but it wasn't fully open. Hopefully it'll start doing better. unsure.gif


other nems



dshnarw
OMG CHITONS NEMS AND FISHIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

fishy looks mean...i like biggrin.gif
Jamie
laugh.gif Indeed he does.

Unfortunately, one of the pricklebacks mysteriously died. Just stress I guess - didn't see any physical harm. Everyone else is accounted for.

I'm also having some issues with water clarity. The hob is pulling a lot of junk out, but the water is still murky. I'm thinking of running a skimmer, and if that doesn't help, getting a canister filter. I think now that I have a bigger tank I need to be better about dealing with nutrients. dry.gif
dshnarw
QUOTE (Jamie @ Jan 13 2009, 11:49 PM) *
laugh.gif Indeed he does.

Unfortunately, one of the pricklebacks mysteriously died. Just stress I guess - didn't see any physical harm. Everyone else is accounted for.

I'm also having some issues with water clarity. The hob is pulling a lot of junk out, but the water is still murky. I'm thinking of running a skimmer, and if that doesn't help, getting a canister filter. I think now that I have a bigger tank I need to be better about dealing with nutrients. dry.gif


that sucks. hope the rest make it


oddly, the last week mine has gotten a diatom dusting...i think it may have finally finished cycling from the move in october laugh.gif
clownfish1124
this looks real nice! i love the little strawberries and that huge red one! how do you combat with nem movement? do they sting other nems, or just stay where they are?
Jamie
QUOTE (dshnarw @ Jan 14 2009, 08:17 AM) *
that sucks. hope the rest make it


oddly, the last week mine has gotten a diatom dusting...i think it may have finally finished cycling from the move in october laugh.gif


laugh.gif I don't know that I've ever kept a cw tank long enough fr it to cycle. rolleyes.gif

QUOTE (clownfish1124 @ Jan 14 2009, 03:52 PM) *
this looks real nice! i love the little strawberries and that huge red one! how do you combat with nem movement? do they sting other nems, or just stay where they are?


The strawberries don't move - the others do some, but they eventually find a place. They do sting each other, but never to the point of death, so I just let them work it out for themselves.
Jamie
Well, I figured out why the water was murky. .25 ammonia and 20 nitrates! I think a combo of lots of food (and fish waste) + new tank + maybe anemone chemicals. Sooo, I did a four gallon waterchange, and got a H.O.T. magnum filter, and treated the water with some stuff that supposedly reacts with ammonia. I'll test levels again later, and probably do another water change tomorrow. Most things in the tank actually seem fine - fish are ok, strawberries are perfectly fine. Elegants look a little upset though, and the new nem ( which I've decided is some sort of Urticina) is really pissed. Hopefully I can get this cleared up soon.

edit: i changed the thread title, since it's not really that tank anymore.
Lalani
fingersx01.gif

Oh, and I bought a chiller. smile.gif
Jamie
Yay! but why tropical lr?

or am I misunderstanding? huh.gif
Lalani
QUOTE (Jamie @ Jan 15 2009, 11:26 PM) *
Yay! but why tropical lr?

or am I misunderstanding? huh.gif

Wha? huh.gif
Oh, chiller will be used on a different tank at a later time. tongue.gif
Jamie
gah! I was so sure. rolleyes.gif I guess I'll just have to wait and see then.

but srsly, you needs a cw tank.
Jamie
Finally some decent pics! The filter has helped a lot - water is much clearer (though not perfect yet) and all the nems seem happier, especially the berries, who are now open 24/7! biggrin.gif

no fishy pics - I think they're nocturnal - they all came out last night huh.gif and when I say "came out," I mean that they stuck they're heads out of their holes and watched the cyclopeez float by. In fact, I'm not sure that they've eaten since I got them. But they seem fat, so I guess they're okay.

okay, pics now.

daniels nem


pink


orange


new nem and the supposed beadlet (not sure about this id though) the beadlet is upset because it just lost in a fight (against an elegant) the new nem is upset because it's not as tolerant of ammonia as the others (I suspect).


berries and elegant


snail


fts
dshnarw
nice pics!

does the beadlet have little bumps on the column like mine???
Lalani
Cool cool.gif (pun intended!)
Jamie
QUOTE (dshnarw @ Jan 16 2009, 08:50 PM) *
nice pics!

does the beadlet have little bumps on the column like mine???


indeed it does. fourth pic, the nem on the right. wink.gif

QUOTE (Lalani @ Jan 16 2009, 09:01 PM) *
Cool cool.gif (pun intended!)


lol, thanks. smile.gif
Jamie
I'm enjoying the new filter - water is nice and clear now. smile.gif

Fish are out too, now that they're not dying of ammonia poisoning. sad.gif The big one has some blackish welts on it - those are caused by ammonia, right? sad.gif I wish that hadn't happened

anyways, been trying to get some better fish pics. You can see the spot on his neck that I imagened to be colorful - it's definitely different than the rest of him.





Also, the sculpin is ranking high on my favorite fish list, BECAUSE HE LETS ME PET HIM!!!! omgomgomg.gif

I know what you're thinking. "That's kind of weird," and, "Why would you even want to pet a fish?" and "How did you find that out?" Well - I had my hand in the tank, messing around with the rocks, and I noticed that he didn't seem too scared of the giant hand invading his territory. I wondered how close I could get to him before he'd freak and swim away. I moved my hand slowly toward him - he didn't move. I poked him lightly - still nothing - then I ran my finger along his back - he ate something invisible on the rock next to him, then sat there some more. I decided this must have been some rare occurrence - and dismissed it - but my curiosity got the best of me, and I tried again a few minutes later - again he didn't seem to mind, maybe he even enjoys it! I guess his camouflage is so good that nothing ever tries to eat him. Strange though!
Lalani
Great pics, and we need a video of petting the fish. biggrin.gif
Jamie
I'll see what I can do - may have to wait till after finals (this week) for that one though. wink.gif
Jamie
Well, no sculpin petting, but I did get some good macros.

chiton


sculpin




he's so cute. wub.gif
Jamie
night fts

jeremai
omgomgomg.gif
Lalani
Ooooooh.........

That chiton looks huge! How big is it?
Jamie
3-3.5 inches maybe? Yeah, pretty big.
Jamie
WANT! I will pay anyone who can get me these anemones. Are they even real!? droool

http://www.cienciesnaturals.com/208index.html
JIM27
How is your sculpin behaving in the tank? I have one exactly like that one in my 10g and he bites the hell out of all three of my anemones. I thoguht it might be because it was hungry but regardless of how much its fed, it bites.I actually have it in a separate 5g now for the anemones sake until i can take it back to the beach.
Jamie
Yeah, he's hitting the A. elegantissima's pretty hard - doesn't bother the berries though. It seems that if I keep him fed he nips less, also, I think the more nems you have, the more spread out the biting will be. Which means that I will be getting more nems next time there's a low tide.

And I demand pics. tongue.gif

Actually, if you live near here, I'd take him off your hands for you - it'd be cool to have a pair.
jeremai
QUOTE (Jamie @ Jan 20 2009, 03:40 PM) *
WANT! I will pay anyone who can get me these anemones. Are they even real!? droool

http://www.cienciesnaturals.com/208index.html

huh.gif Aulactinia?

QUOTE (JIM27 @ Jan 20 2009, 04:40 PM) *
How is your sculpin behaving in the tank? I have one exactly like that one in my 10g and he bites the hell out of all three of my anemones. I thoguht it might be because it was hungry but regardless of how much its fed, it bites.I actually have it in a separate 5g now for the anemones sake until i can take it back to the beach.

Who are you and why don't you have a tank thread?!
dshnarw
QUOTE (Jamie @ Jan 20 2009, 06:40 PM) *
WANT! I will pay anyone who can get me these anemones. Are they even real!? droool


this^^^^


QUOTE (jeremai @ Jan 20 2009, 08:58 PM) *
huh.gif Aulactinia?


Who are you and why don't you have a tank thread?!


and both of these^^^^

QUOTE (Jamie @ Jan 20 2009, 08:49 PM) *
And I demand pics. tongue.gif


and that one too^^^^

QUOTE (Jamie @ Jan 20 2009, 08:49 PM) *
Which means that I will be getting more nems next time there's a low tide.


oh hai flower.gif
JIM27
QUOTE (Jamie @ Jan 21 2009, 02:49 AM) *
Yeah, he's hitting the A. elegantissima's pretty hard - doesn't bother the berries though. It seems that if I keep him fed he nips less, also, I think the more nems you have, the more spread out the biting will be. Which means that I will be getting more nems next time there's a low tide.

And I demand pics. tongue.gif

Actually, if you live near here, I'd take him off your hands for you - it'd be cool to have a pair.


Sorry, I'm in CA. But hopefully you have better luck with yours. My smallest(1inch) anemone is splitting from stress, the others are ok now though. BTW I forgot to say in my first post, You've got a great tank.

QUOTE
Who are you and why don't you have a tank thread?!

I havent posted here in a few years, I'll try to make a thread this weekend since you guys are interested. smile.gif
Jamie
QUOTE (JIM27 @ Jan 20 2009, 08:15 PM) *
Sorry, I'm in CA. But hopefully you have better luck with yours. My smallest(1inch) anemone is splitting from stress, the others are ok now though. BTW I forgot to say in my first post, You've got a great tank.


I havent posted here in a few years, I'll try to make a thread this weekend since you guys are interested. smile.gif


Do it! I wanna see! biggrin.gif

Well, today when I fed the tank the sculpin went after the nems - because the cyclops were too small to eat. He doesn't seem to do any physical damage - no missing tentacles or anything - I have no idea why he does it, actually - it seems totally pointless, just pisses the nems off. huh.gif

Thanks for the compliment. smile.gif



dshnarwhal - you can has elegant if I can has minicarpet, yes? flower.gif
hijiwii
QUOTE (Jamie @ Jan 20 2009, 03:40 PM) *
WANT! I will pay anyone who can get me these anemones. Are they even real!? droool

http://www.cienciesnaturals.com/208index.html

Are those from europe or what mellow.gif
jeremai
QUOTE (Jamie @ Jan 20 2009, 08:36 PM) *
dshnarwhal

omglol

QUOTE (hijiwii @ Jan 20 2009, 10:42 PM) *
Are those from europe or what mellow.gif

The photo is from a public aquarium in South Africa. I'm guessing they're locally-caught.
Jamie
QUOTE (jeremai @ Jan 20 2009, 11:46 PM) *
omglol


sorry, I had too. I wrote it, and then I was like. "No, it can't be that perfect..." but it was. So I had too...

laugh.gif


But yeah, despite the fact that the website is in Catalan, it's an aquarium in south Africa. There's a link on the page to it. Couldn't find that pic on the aquariums website though.
kingwintergreen
QUOTE (hijiwii @ Jan 20 2009, 11:42 PM) *
Are those from europe or what mellow.gif

Are they not just American West Coast nems (giant greens and warties) with their hues altered with Photoshop or something? huh.gif
dshnarw
QUOTE (Jamie @ Jan 21 2009, 12:36 AM) *
dshnarwhal - you can has elegant if I can has minicarpet, yes? flower.gif


laugh.gif thats pretty good...

we'll have to discuss this in detail via pm.


QUOTE (Jamie @ Jan 21 2009, 03:00 PM) *
sorry, I had too. I wrote it, and then I was like. "No, it can't be that perfect..." but it was. So I had too...

laugh.gif


But yeah, despite the fact that the website is in Catalan, it's an aquarium in south Africa. There's a link on the page to it. Couldn't find that pic on the aquariums website though.


hmmmmmmm...anyone notice the columns on those things? bumpy...
Jamie
QUOTE (kingwintergreen @ Jan 21 2009, 05:09 PM) *
Are they not just American West Coast nems (giant greens and warties) with their hues altered with Photoshop or something? huh.gif


Don't think so. Notice that on the turquoise one, just left of center, there are radiating lines on the oral disk. The grey one just below and to the right has white marks on it's tentacles (Both these characteristics, however, are seen in A. elegantissima). The red-brown one (closed) just to the right of that has verrucae arranged in columns, whereas A. xanthogrammica has them randomly everywhere.

QUOTE (dshnarw @ Jan 21 2009, 05:34 PM) *
laugh.gif thats pretty good...

we'll have to discuss this in detail via pm.




hmmmmmmm...anyone notice the columns on those things? bumpy...


My pm box is waiting. smile.gif
jeremai
QUOTE (Jamie @ Jan 21 2009, 05:40 PM) *
Don't think so. Notice that on the turquoise one, just left of center, there are radiating lines on the oral disk. The grey one just below and to the right has white marks on it's tentacles (Both these characteristics, however, are seen in A. elegantissima). The red-brown one (closed) just to the right of that has verrucae arranged in columns, whereas A. xanthogrammica has them randomly everywhere.

I'm glad you were willing to type that out, I was not in the mood, lol. wink.gif



Maybe email the Sanamyans a link to that site for an ID? http://actiniaria.com/authors.php
Jamie
oooh, I should email them a pic of my unidentified nem too! It hasn't really opened yet, now it looks like it's splitting. Hopefully it starts doing better. sad.gif But it'd be cool to know what it is!
Jamie
I take that back, the nem is not splitting, and seems to be doing better! It opened last night, so I stuffed it full of mysis. It was open again today - so I stuffed it full again - I'll be at the beach for the weekend, so I won't have any updates on the nem for a few days, but here are a few better (but not very good) pics of it. I was finally able to get the red on camera! It really looks like and Urticina, doesn't it? Cloumn confuses me though. unsure.gif Do you think these pics would be enough for the people at Actiniaria.com to identify it?





kingwintergreen
QUOTE (Jamie @ Jan 21 2009, 06:40 PM) *
Don't think so. Notice that on the turquoise one, just left of center, there are radiating lines on the oral disk. The grey one just below and to the right has white marks on it's tentacles (Both these characteristics, however, are seen in A. elegantissima). The red-brown one (closed) just to the right of that has verrucae arranged in columns, whereas A. xanthogrammica has them randomly everywhere.


Actually, the lines are common in giant greens, as well as the blotches of heavier or lighter pigmentation over the mouth. I actually thought the one with all the large vescicles is a warty. Some of the others could be urts. Who knows, the photo could be what it claims to be, but it just looks a little suspicious to me .
The anemone you just got actually looks a lot like an Epiactis australiensis to me. If you can find some images of this species online, note the color and pattern of the collumn. Although patterns on the oral disc and tentacles vary widely, note also that they usually occur in some combo of purple and white.
Jamie
OMG TOTALLY AMAZING AND UNEXPECTED TIDEPOOL ADVENTURE!!!!!! AND I BROUGHT A CAMERA!!!!

So, it was barely a low tide (+.2ft), but my mom was like, maybe we should stop here, because it was sunny, and really pretty, and I was like, sure! And then it was amazing! Anthopleura artemisia were everywhere, and beatuiful red and pink hydroids covered the rocks! And it was beautiful in the sunset. Best part of all, I brought my camera! Look!

all pics are top downs of tidepools - no underwater camera on this trip

view of the rocks








the holes in this rock are the product of boring clams












I had to post this one cause of the red. I didn't even see the color when I was taking the pic, hence the blurryness - I just snapped the pic and left - trust me - if I had seen that color I would have done everything in my power to get that nem, In fact, I'm going back tomorrow just to see if I can find it again. Sooo amazing!






nem in a field of hydroids








giant pink hydroid, top is a little less than 1 cm across


baby!


Sunset photos:











kwg- Well, I have to agree, the colors do look a little 'altered.' And my nem does look a little like the few pictures I've found of E. australiensis. If it is though, how could it have come to be in Tillamook bay in Oregon?
Lalani
OMG omgomgomg.gif
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