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ahah get a laugh out of this

lol

My dad saw those, sacastcally he asked if they'd work on his 75.

wouldn't bag on it til you've tried it. a lot high end reefing equipment is actually being OEM'd in asia, rebranded and sold at german prices.

The Koralia is a simple design it seems. No reason a company couldn't make a cheaper knockoff. The only thing that sucks (and probably a big reason it is cheaper), it uses suction cups instead of magnets.

But for us cheap skates who have picked up cleaning magnets for free......

Says it has a magnetic base. I would bet it has a magnetic plastic covered disc like the korallias that go outside the tank as well. I see the 3 cups but It does say magnetic as well.
Hell guys at that price for 2 shipped it would be worth it to try them out IMHO.

I may just be the one to do it
Let me see where my finances are this Monday after shipping and I may order them.
I need a pair for my 75g frag system any way.

That's what I was thinking. Everyone always complains that reefing equipment is so expensive, but when a cheaper alternative pops up they discount it without any first-hand experience?

there's this other pumps called the "sunsun" it looks like 2 tunze nanostreams side by side , but i think its in china idk

Pretty sure if someone really wanted to make it magnetic it would happen. DIY

Hence the comment at the end of my post.

"hence" is my favorite word!

and i might just order these in the morning, trying to talk myself into it atm...who kknows, they could be werth getting....

im worried aboot them failing and burning up a tank tho...ya know, cuz theyre cheap, lolz)

New guy chiming in here. Hi all. I have been lurking these forums for months now. Most of the reef forums anyway. I never owned a reef tank and still do not. Just gathering info and doing research. I can tell you one thing. The reef community is paying way too much for stuff that is normal old stuff. A light is a light. A pump is a pump and a little powerhead that makes current is a little power head that makes current. Before you jump on me let me explain.

It seems that certain companies have been creating these items for years for the reef community. My question is what makes a MH light for an aquarium more expensive to make than a MH light for a barn? Ask yourself those types of questions. I see the same MH lighting all over the construction business. The ONLY difference is the color temp. These MH lamps, ballasts and fixtures are usually half the price as some aquarium company would charge. I don't make lights for a living but I would venture to guess that they could make the color temp higher without doubling their manufacturing costs.

Same for pumps. Anyone been to a boating store lately? The boating community uses pumps for all sorts of things. Same thing here. For the same size pump in the boating community you would pay half.

I am not saying that the lights and pumps used in construction and boating are adequate for maintaining a reef tank. I am just saying that there really is no reason to be knocking a company that sells a powerhead for cheap. The thing is nothing more than an electric motor and a plastic housing. Same with the lights and pumps. They are all simple technologies that have been adapted to suit the aquarium atmosphere. There should be no reason why cheaper stuff has not hit this market. I am just glad to see someone take advantage of the obviously needed market.

What I am trying to say is that aquarists are being taken to the woodshed on such simple technology. It is high time these "rip off" companies started jumping on the bandwagon.

BTW, great forum!

^ GTFO noob

Your avatar is disturbing

He's RIGHT. So why don't you GTFO.

LOL at being told to GTFO by a guy who has 2000+ posts on a small aquarium web forum. Just LOL. EEK. A tough guy.

Reserved. hmmm.. I smell blood!

I'm ordering them. Seriously.

I totally agree. you can get sunpods in china for dirt cheap

Lighting:
Packaging. IE your paying for a neat and sleekly packaged lighting fixture with the correct kelvin bulbs, and in most all cases now electronic ballasts.
Barn lighting etc etc etc... = big heavy multitap ballasts with a socket mounted right under them. Who want's that over their reef tank ?

Pumps:
Your average quality SW pump has SS shafts or ceramic shafts to avoid rusting in SW.
Your average cheap'o pump mainly used for fresh water does not so the shaft will rust and break on you over time.
There is also a distinct difference in a wave maker/power head, then an aquarium, or sump pump use in the boating world. Size, GPH rating, efficiency ( big one there ) mounting capabilities.. etc etc etc....

Its not so cut and dry as you might think.
Some things you 're absolutely right. You can surely use for all purposes and they are cheaper.
The majority though when it come to equipment.. you wouldn't want to at all.

^^^You are 100% correct. My point is that as time goes on, someone is oging to modify an already cheap piece of technology to to fit aquarium use. Kind of like the "knock off" power heads. Like I said before, it is nothing more than an electric motor with a plastic housing. It is nothing more than a fan that operates underwater. Again, sump pumps are still pumps. A ceramic shaft would, in no way, add double the cost of the pump itself. See what I mean? Light bulbs are light bulbs and light housings are a penny a dozen. The actual product is not much different than what most aquarists pay top dollar for. Enter more competition in the hobby and everyone wins. As soon as the leading powerhead manufacturers start feeling pressure from the low prices of the "knock off" brands, they will be forced to lower their prices. We all win.

it seems that this ebay seller has a knock off of just about everything ahah he is in hong kong

but yeah what really interests me is the wavemaker (tunze knock off) and some of his prop pumps that are nanostream knock offs.

i think the lighting is more of a supply/demand thing. to make an actinic and other hobbyist level metal halide lamps involves using various rare earth metals and gases that aren't normally used in the lamps made for commercial use. also, production for hobbyist level lamps is no where near as high as for commercial lamps, so production costs are going to be higher, and that cost is passed on to the consumer.

those rare earth metals and gases cost more too

eric is right.


always.

Those pumps look nice actually....If I had a larger tank Id buy them...

Almost everything in this hobby has ridiculous inflated prices....Tunze for example is the biggest rip off known to man

not true. i'd say banana republic is.

Brand name clothing is actually probably the biggest rip off known to man....

But in the aquarium world Tunze, bubbleking, red dragon pumps etc etc are ridiculous in the pricing dept. I laugh at people that buy the stuff...

That guy has some interesting looking stuff. I might have to try one of those nanostream knock off pumps.

I just ordered them, I'l update this when I get them.

this pump is my favorite...

i guess you laugh at a lot of people then right? since a lot of people here uses tunze. and quite a few people with large reefs uses BK and red dragon pumps

you get what you pay for. sure they can probably get away with any skimmer would probably end up with the same result. but you also get the nice build quality and looks, hassle free operation (cant say much about the tunze) and effectiveness.

its the same with clothes, yeah they are expensive as hell for what they are (esp girl clothes, they use less than half as many cloth as mens clothes, but they cost twice as much). but go put on some clothes at walmart and go to A-F or Express and put on some of their clothes, you would instantly understand why they can charge that much. its not just because some designer slapped their name on the product and instantly the price went up 10 fold. but the material used, the cut and basic design is a lot better than bargin price clothes. same goes with aquatic equipment.

disgusting.




lol, it looks intense.

I think everything forgot this was a hobby! ANY ANY ANY hobby is going to be expensive. Either deal with it or dont, its your choice.

You get what you pay for to an extent. I'll refute the clothes example because it's easier, but it applies to everything. No one will argue the quality difference between the walmart level clothing and the A-F level of clothing. But how much difference is there really between the A-F level and the next level above it?

I think it's justifiable to pay $30-$50 for a good pair of jeans instead of a $10 pair. But there is no way in hell that a $150 pair of jeans is that much nicer than a $50 pair? The B-Ks and the Red Dragons are the $150 pair of jeans in my eyes.

The only thing I can think of that may be worth the price jump would be a Vortech MP-40 compared to some other pump like a regular Koralia.

Here in Denver there is a store that has quite a few off brand types of equipment, and uses them solely in shop. While I'd be interetested in trying new brands, I also like knowing others have had successfull engagements with them as well. Reefing can be expensive, thats obvious, surprising how the prices relate out here in colorado!

A.P.C. (the place to get jeans, IME) vs. Abercrombie or even banana republic is a pretty big difference in quality (and price), I would say. But I'm partial to APC (even if some of their prices are outrageous).

Hate to break it to you... but those APC outfits look ridiculous And the prices are triple and quadruple what you might pay at somewhere like Banana Republic
http://www.apc.fr/homeH09.php?r=1&ew=1...ne=us&lg=en

haha! they sell tattoo guns too

Mine are shipped, suppose to be here 12-12

WOW. Just WOW.

Just noticng, but is all this suff 220V Euro? I like the wave timer for $9 but if it won't worrk here it's kina pointless...
I'm all for knock off stuff. My old reef tank was built on rebranded stuff. Well, my Molex say it's time to eat lunch... good luck with the purchases!

that add says it works off 120v 60 cycle a/c power.... seems like the norm here in the US.

not a bad price

Hmm, for the price of many of his products, you really can't lose anything for just trying them out. I'm tempted on buying this http://cgi.ebay.com/360-Degree-Wave-Maker-...oQQcmdZViewItem

Anyone know how much 900 liters an hour is or have a liter -> gallon conversion?

Mini Protein Skimmer for $6 is worth a try in my 10 gallon tanks refugium (or my 10 gallon frag tank)
http://cgi.ebay.com/Nano-Air-Wood-Protein-...oQQcmdZViewItem

I am really tempted to buy one of his WaveMakers.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Resun-Wave-Maker-3-Mod...oQQcmdZViewItem

Anyone else get their orders yet and have a review?

237.754834

You guys are missing the bigger picture. More Chinese crap built by non American's who are loosing their jobs because we like to buy the cheap not made in America.

I can't wait for the North American Free Trade Alliance to be dissolved.

I'd be worrying about the lead paint on your cheap Chinese products.

I'll be watching this thread for all the reported tank crashes.

i have that protein skimmer. lots of bubbles but didnt have in tank long enough for a good review. i took out until i get my upgrade going w/ sump.

uh what

1st post?

wish they made these down in the lower range like 300gph
http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Design-Stream-Plus...oQQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sunsun-JVP201B-Dual-Po...1742.m153.l1262