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jeremai
As the title suggests, I'm setting up this thread to be a catch-all for coldwater livestock information. If you come across anything you think is relevant, post a link here or send me a PM.

Start Here.

Information:
Couple short articles from Aquadaily.com, here and here.
Article from Advanced Aquarist, March 2009 and another, from May 2009 (the second one has many photos from our members).
Technical articles on Corynactus californica (strawberry anemones): here, here and here.
Oregon Reef (formerly Steve Weast's tank)
Cold Water Images
Anemone Types
Steve Wrobel's Temperate Articles One & Two (my link broke - Jamie? Anyone?)
Yahoo! Coldwater Fish Group
Info on Choosing Livestock
Threads from RC, One and Two

Livestock:
foreshores.net
Gulf of Maine

Member's Tanks:
Jacob's Coldwater Tank
Lalani's Coldwater Tank
yellowslayer13's Southern California 280g
JIM27's 10g tidepool tank
Jamie's 16 gallon Coldwater
horusmachine's 5.5 Pacific Coast coldwater tank
musicalmike's Coldwater Tank
Mynameskenny19's 75g Humboldt Bay Biotope, and the same Reborn.
MrAnderson's 50g Aqua Logic Coldwater Tank
AlaskaMatt's 20g Alaskatope
Hoobahans' Whitman College Coldwater Tanks
Jamie's 15g Dual Biotope, formerly Jamie's Zero-Edge Coldwater Tank
dshnarw's Coldwater Tank
Jeremai's Custom Coldwater Tank

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Now, first order of business, we have a potential group buy from foreshores.net. Here is the email I recieved in response to my inquiry:

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I apologize for the slow reply, I am in the process of moving tanks and things (and you have to finish what you start rather quickly in this hot weather). Shipping is my single largest expense, so everything would indeed have to go to a single address for any kind of break (sorry). Breaks, even if small (everything helps), are however possible, depending on the item and quantity. For example, supplies and availability for strawberries is so low that I had a quantity LIMIT on them for each order until recently! Let me know what you need, how much, etc. and I'll see what we can do. Thanks!

Kenneth Wingerter

I'd like to focus on strawberry anemones and perhaps a couple other species depending on what everyone wants. If you're interested post what and how many you would like and I'll email Kenneth back. I'd like to be able to get him a list in the next week or so.

Ok... GO!!
dshnarw
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

okay...just pm'ed this, but I'll put it here as well...

Santa jeremai, I'd like:

1 Brooding Anemone (juvenile) (Epiactis lizbethae)
1 Aggregating Anemone (Anthopleura elegantissima)
1 Mossy Chiton (Mopalia muscosa)
1 Plumose Anemone (white) (Metridium senile)
2-3 Strawberry (or Club-Tipped) Anemone (Corynactis californica)

and a bigger fish tank biggrin.gif

PS: you PNWers suck...I know Jamie has half that list already from tidepools sad.gif
jeremai
So, who's going to be the re-shipper? unsure.gif
dshnarw
I've done shipping before with mostly success, so I don't mind doing it or at minimum talking someone through it. My only worry is that we'd be shipping everything cross country for it to turn around and go right back if I did it.
jeremai
Yeah, who else might be interested in the buy? You, me, Jamie...
Jamie
I could, since I'm so close, maybe they'd cut us a break since it would reduce shipping costs. Just an idea. For now, it's the same as what I pm'ed you, 1 strawberry and 1 brooding anemone. I have to hear back from Randy before I can confirm that though.

-Jamie
jeremai
QUOTE (Jamie @ Jul 17 2008, 07:28 PM) *
I could, since I'm so close, maybe they'd cut us a break since it would reduce shipping costs. Just an idea. For now, it's the same as what I pm'ed you, 1 strawberry and 1 brooding anemone. I have to hear back from Randy before I can confirm that though.

-Jamie

Ok, I'll give it through the weekend to see if anyone else wants to set up a coldwater tank and then email him and see about the shipping to you and any quantity discounts.
Jamie
Sounds good! If Randy hasn't gotten back to me by then, I'll assume it's a no go, but then again how could I say no to more strawberries?

There has to be someone else wanting coldwater livestock out there.
dshnarw
QUOTE (Jamie @ Jul 17 2008, 10:39 PM) *
Sounds good! If Randy hasn't gotten back to me by then, I'll assume it's a no go, but then again how could I say no to more strawberries?

There has to be someone else wanting coldwater livestock out there.


i'm gonna check on the local club and see if anyone there wants to set up a tank. the idea got a lot of attention a few months ago when I was getting ready to set mine up.
Kigs
This is a fantastic idea, I'd be down but any other options or different vendor? What about coldwater fish?
jeremai
Just foreshores for now, there aren't any other vendors with fish that I'm aware of anyway. Unless you know of any. wink.gif
Kigs
Maybe we could get in touch with the oregonreef.com guy? I think I remember seeing few more vendors he suggested in a thread awhile back.
dshnarw
QUOTE (Kigs @ Jul 17 2008, 11:28 PM) *
Maybe we could get in touch with the oregonreef.com guy? I think I remember seeing few more vendors he suggested in a thread awhile back.


Steve got his fish from a wholesaler in Australia, and paid a TON of money to get the livestock here (both to them and to people in LA who brokered the stuff through customs). The link he put up to the website doesn't work, and I think I searched it a while back to see if they'd changed websites and didn't find it.

I have seen coldwater boxfish for sale before, though I don't remember the website. They were $400 each.
Jamie
I've been to the website he got them from. It's called Aquatic Biodiversity Group. I just googled it though, and their link wasn't working, so maybe it has been moved. Either way, that would be ridiculously expensive, and most of those fish need larger tanks than most of us have.

-Jamie
dshnarw
Had a little free time, so I contacted m-rep about pricing and shipping costs for strawberries. we'll see...
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jeremai
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dshnarw
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Jamie
M-rep????

He emailed me back in like, two seconds, so that's why I'm asking already. flower.gif
dshnarw
QUOTE (Jamie @ Jul 18 2008, 01:33 PM) *
M-rep????

He emailed me back in like, two seconds, so that's why I'm asking already. flower.gif


nothing yet.
jeremai
QUOTE (dshnarw @ Jul 18 2008, 10:30 AM) *
new mods are weird tongue.gif

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dshnarw
QUOTE (jeremai @ Jul 18 2008, 02:18 PM) *
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Jamie
Anyways....

I'm going to mexico for a week, so DON'T DO ANYTHING WITHOUT ME!!! Well, you can keep posting random smileys, but other than that...

Daniel, hear anything about strawberries yet?
dshnarw
QUOTE (Jamie @ Jul 20 2008, 01:36 AM) *
Anyways....

I'm going to mexico for a week, so DON'T DO ANYTHING WITHOUT ME!!! Well, you can keep posting random smileys, but other than that...

Daniel, hear anything about strawberries yet?


nope...nothing
jeremai
bump
jeremai
One more bump - I'll send off the email with the amounts tomorrow. Hopefully Jamie meant what she PM'd me, lol.
jeremai
QUOTE
Hello again Jeremai -

In case you have yet to reach a consensus within your group, perhaps this addendum will help.
A researcher in Missouri just about cleaned me out of my adult strawberries and juvenile brooders. The brooders all but scattered when I moved the tank recently, and they are still so small
that I can't find any but one (maybe two) at the moment. However, I would be willing to offer the following: My remaining strawberries, 12 in all, are all on one rock. If the designated
"trans-shipper" in your group would be willing to do the fragging (and distribute them in whatever manner the group agrees to), I would send all 12 specimens for the price of 10-- but do
understand that some of them are recent transplants and are thus very, very small, and will require some time, patience and powerfeeding before stunning the masses. At present I can only
see one, maybe two brooders. The one or the both of them have climbed onto small rocks already inhabited with other critters, so at least if I can only provide two, they will come with
special surprise bonus specimens. In case any of you were considering orange cups, I just sold out of the large wild adults but do have some tiny cute juveniles (yes, tank-raised from
planular larvae).
Really, only one plumose anemone (tank-raised)? These were made for nano-tanks (especially those with lunar lighting)! Since I'm feeling nice, I must offer 5 for the price of 4, if you
would decide to get some more. And, what the hey, I'll do the same with the aggregating anemones (tank-raised), if you decide to get more.
And why not anything very exotic? Like a painted or white-spotted rose Urticina (which rival any tropical anemone), or a lined chiton (which blow away any tropical chiton), or a
aquacultured frag of purple hydrocoral (for which there is not even a qualifying tropical counterpart)? Also, the little "blood" stars (I'm still questioning my taxonomic designation for these
guys) are truly superb sea stars for the nano-tank, as they are pretty small, active and really, really colorful. So, alright, I'll do 5 for the price of 4 on those as well.
The mossy chitons look great, we have at least two nice big hairy ones.
By the way, everything listed above is aquacultured by us or has been in our system for at least 6 months.
Please understand that these kinds of price breaks are determined by demand for and availability of each item (among other considerations), and are arranged on an order-to-order basis.
In many cases they may not be offered at all. Please understand also that our live arrival guarantee applies only to our shipment to the receiving member of your group-- the other
members of your group must, of course, accept any losses that occur during any subsequent shipping. When purchasing quantity discounted items, order only the number you are paying
for (i.e., if you accept one of the 5-for-the-price-of-4 offers above, only order 4; otherwise the online store will charge you for 5). We will certainly be mindful to ship the arranged
number of items nonetheless.
Thanks so much, I hope this helps... Hope to hear from you again!

Kenneth Wingerter

www.foreshores.net
dshnarw
OH SNAP!!

we gonna have to rethink some crap now!
jeremai
lol, I'm still trying to make sense of it. huh.gif
arwndsh
Need the help of an accountant? biggrin.gif wink.gif tongue.gif
dshnarw
well, the important thing is...

if we get a dozen strawberries, they're 26.67 each...
Jamie
I'm back! My tank also has some exciting new additions, but I'll write about that in my thread tomorrow. I can divvy up the berries for you guys. Who's getting how many then? (I still don't know who exactly is in this trade) I don't really need the brooder, either. I can probably find one somewhere, and if not, I'll buy one from you guys once yours reproduce.

I like how he offered the white spotted rose on the "five for the price of four" deal. Fantastic! That's five anemones for just $1020! Or wait, was that only for the blood stars? That email was too long for my brain to comprehend, I got back from a week of mixing cement by hand in Tijuana about an hour ago, so I'm a little tired.

psst, Jeremai... I'm actually a guy. wink.gif But yeah, I meant that, except you can take the brooder out if you want. And you got that I want a painted rose, right? A hydrocoral frag would be cool, but I can see myself missing one day of feeding and it dying immediately. I'll think about it tomorrow when I'm awake.

-Jamie



dshnarw
well, if it comes down to getting the group o' strawberries...whatever in the dozen we need for the discount that you guys don't want, I'll take. they're the most "important" part for me. If it works out that I can get some of the other stuff I listed with my budget, thats cool. If not, I can save up for some more later (or talk Jamie into getting me some... wink.gif)
jeremai
QUOTE
Hey, Jeremai. Since your group is primarily interested in obtaining strawberry anemones, I thought I should update you on a few things. I still have 8 or 9 left. Also, I have promised to set aside one or two for Anthony Calfo for a temperate system he will working on in the near future. I would be willing to supply the remainder (however many that will be at the time of your order) for the price I offered in my last message (particularly because, as I mentioned earlier, some of these are very small juveniles) IF you purchase the unfragged colony (which would save me much time and shipping space) AND place a "quantity" order. Of course, I would be happy to sell any smaller number of the strawberries, but they would be at regular price. Thanks again...

Kenneth Wingerter

I think he forgot we'll be ordering in September. I need to email him again, lol. Unless you all want to try shipping earlier.

QUOTE (Jamie @ Jul 27 2008, 10:37 PM) *
psst, Jeremai... I'm actually a guy. wink.gif

I had a feeling, but when it came down to the wire I had to make an executive decision, lol. flower.gif
dshnarw
better safe than sorry, IMO.
Jamie
We could order earlier, but it would be cutting it close, I mean, it wouldn't be that bad, but it would make the potential for error a little higher. I imagine it will be same day shipping, because I'm only 2 hrs away from the store, so I can order the day I get back from the beach. I'm coming home Sunday, probably in the morning or early afternoon. We could order Sunday, and it would either get there after I got home (unless we were running late, which is possible), or Monday, depending on if it's overnight or not. I have to be here to sign for it, right? They'd have a few days to recoup in my tank, then I could ship them out Friday. I leave Sunday morning for the San Juan's, and then I'll be gone till the 26th, so there would be one day for error, but after that I wouldn't be available for contact if anything went wrong. September would be safer, but I will be in school then, so it's more likely no one would be here during the day if we needed to sign for it. i don't know, what do you guys think?
jeremai
I think Sat delivery would be too expensive.

I'm fine telling him we'll wait on the group order for a couple months till he gets more stock in, although I'm strongly considering buying that rock of strawberries on my own in the meantime. ninja.gif

Jamie, we can ask him to have the order held at the nearest FedEx/UPS location. That way it'll be temperature controlled until you can pick it up, that might work.

But let's discuss the really important news: Anthony Calfo is designing a coldwater tank. eek3.gif
Jamie
QUOTE (jeremai @ Jul 28 2008, 06:42 PM) *
But let's discuss the really important news: Anthony Calfo is designing a coldwater tank. eek3.gif


Bwahh??? LINK PLEASE!
jeremai
It was in my email from Kenneth. We'll see what happens, I'm not getting giddy as of yet.

In other news, MrA is too cool for our little thread:

http://www.nano-reef.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=165228

Also, I updated the first post with links. If you have any more send me a PM. Thanks!
jeremai
Bump for more info for the first post - links, especially. Post them here or send me a PM.
Mynameskenny19
Here's a link for live abalone from Monterey area in California:

https://www.abalonefarm.com/farm_photos.php

You can buy them to eat live or buy them as steaks or what I found to be interesting, buy them live and house them in an aquarium! They're also good for testing your water since they can only handle the most pristine water conditions.

I'll look for other links too, but that just popped in my head.
jeremai
lol I've bought their abalone from Giovanni's before - good stuff, tasted incredible (it had better at $100/lb). Too bad they don't ship juveniles, the adults are too large for most tanks.

Thanks for the link. smile.gif
Jamie
An asian market by my house (Uwajimaya) used to sell smallish (three inches) abalone, but I haven't seen them there in a while, I think they might have stopped selling them.

Dang it! I had the second Wrobel article bookmarked, but it's on my other computer, which is in the shop! I guess I'll get it back eventually, hopefully the link still works!

-Jamie
Mynameskenny19
Man, we've went ab diving up here and the water is cold as a witch's tit in a brass bra! But at least we got some good sized abalone around 7-8 inches! They were pretty good when we deep fried them.

Anyhoo, you can call them and ask for small abalone around 2-3 inches only if you ask politely lol.
And I think they can be comfy in a 75, as that seems to be the average "large" tank.
jeremai
QUOTE (Jamie @ Aug 11 2008, 08:25 PM) *
Dang it! I had the second Wrobel article bookmarked, but it's on my other computer, which is in the shop! I guess I'll get it back eventually, hopefully the link still works!

-Jamie

I was SO EXCITED when I tracked down those two links the first time. The info is a bit outdated but the second part would still be a great resource for noobs. tears01.gif
Mynameskenny19
Look at this place! Pacific Coast Imports:

http://www.pacificcoastimports.com/product...74U22743171N867

Looks like a good place to buy stuff.

Hey Jeremai, what kinda stuff do you want for this thread of yours? Info, livestock, equipment?
jeremai
Info on suppliers for livestock, info on specific coldwater biotopes in nature, other tanks from non-nr.com members, etc. Sites along those lines.
Mynameskenny19
Coldwater livestock suppliers are kinda hard to find. Ill stay up for a few more hours looking for some coldwater biotope locations and information since i have nothing better to do.
kingwintergreen
QUOTE (jeremai @ Aug 11 2008, 08:33 PM) *
I was SO EXCITED when I tracked down those two links the first time. The info is a bit outdated but the second part would still be a great resource for noobs. tears01.gif


Why don't you just contact the publisher (formerly called California Reef Specialists) at info@sealifesupply.com and buy the damn book? You're right, it is only a very general (and outdated) overview of the subject but is cool to have around. It's no longer being printed and there are few copies left, so if you want one now's the time...

Another good read is Aquarium Husbandry of Pacific Northwest Marine Invertebrates by Roland Anderson. I got my copy (autographed, nonetheless) for ten freaking dollors. Yeah, ten dollars, postpaid. You can only get it from the Seattle Aquarium at renatta.williams@seattle.gov
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