I did buy the damned book. Wanna see?


Oh wait, this is the internets, my book doesn't do any good for the noobs who need the advice.

Actually, I posted a source for the book so anyone (including the "noobs") could get a hold of it if they so choose. I posted a source for the second book because it blows the first book away.
It appears to me from the tone of your reply that you might have taken something in my message the wrong way. I just enjoy chatting about the subject and have seen both of the books, wanted to recommend them etc... We're all relative "noobs" in this domain and could probably share all info we can, right?

lol, it as the damn that got me, what can I say?

Ts'all good...

(I've got to watch that cussin')

Actually, there's another cool (though pricey) book that actually takes more than a casual look at the subject of coldwater aquaria, and it isn't older than stone (Jay Hemdal's Advanced Marine Aquarium Techniques). Some reviews of it tend toward the neg, but for exactly the reason we would like it-- the reef folk don't find it "relevent" enough (particularly the species section) because so much of it is oriented towards temperate aquarium husbandry! What I like about it is that it is all unique material (not filled with photos of bread-and-butter fish or rehashed summaries of the nitrogen cycle).

Is that the one with the sections on nonphotosynthetic reefs and the like? I've been looking at picking that up for a while, now I'll have to fork out the cash lol.

Ok, ive done LOTS of reading on the internet and havent found much. Dang, im a horrible researcher lol.

What's this book you and Wintergreen are talking about??? Sounds interesting.

http://www.amazon.com/Advanced-Marine-Aqua...l/dp/0793805651

OMG IT EVEN HAS NECROPSY TECHNIQUES!

Ordered.

Book-marked and put on layaway at Borders for me to pic up tomorrow lol.
Not to sound smart@ss or anything, but do YOU guys consider yourselves "advanced aquarists"???
Haha, I consider myself advanced for the town of Samoa, California lol since we have the ONLY fish tank here.

Well, I don't have a degree in biological sciences, but I would consider myself knowledgable and capable enough to successfully keep unconventional marine biotopes.

Is that an answer?

Thats a good enough answer as any!
Hey, in your custom coldwater tank thread, how did you make your stand/tank enclosure?
Im just wanting to know because that is awesome! Ive been looking at it for a few weeks wondering...

Hemdal? Yeah, really a bunch of stuff about anything-- there is an unusual amount of focus on animal health, water quality control/equipment, a liberal smattering of charts and tables, unusual livestock-- just lots of random advanced stuff... reading it is sort of like listening in on a happy-hour conversation between Bruce Carlson and Bob Fenner. It's a pretty good book.

I am far superior due to my coldwater reefing skills! Bow down to me!

lol, j/k. It's just cause it's something that's still sort of on the fringe, no one knows that much about it, so if you have any experience with it, you're basically an expert. In this sense, "advanced" doesn't really mean it's difficult, it just means you have to figure it out for yourself.

-Jamie

I just remembered that Carolina Niological Supply sells coldwater livestock! Put that on the list, por favor.

Link? I'm lazy.


With a $75 cheap-o table saw from Lowe's, some 3/4" oak plywood, and a lot of amber shellac. The facing on the front is solid oak. Plus I have OCD, so I measured everything seven times, lol.

If you want it just pay the exorbitant shipping, but the tank is not available anymore.

Haha, no thanks man. I'd rather actually build it myself so that I can brag to my friends saying
"hey, i BUILT that!" lol

Bump, for the group buy. Post what you want again to satisfy my OCD and I'll email the guy back for a new price. I'm not sure yet about when to ship, it's still a little toasty here.

I added a few technical links about Corynactus californica to the first post (thanks to musicalmike for those).

so do we know if gulf of maine sells to hobbyists? it'd be nice to get some idea of their prices

They do, I got a quote from them a while back. Pretty good prices, actually. Just email them, they're really nice. iirc, the phylum packages are the best bang for the buck.

great. thanks jer

after i get the 40 up and running, i might try out an order with them and see how it goes. they have so much it's almost overwhelming though

might want to add www.reefcast.com (episodes 29a and 29b).

ABG doesn't exist anymore. If you want coldwater fish from AU you are essentially limited to Cairns Marine or a guy named Steve McLeod (sorry, no company name, but I can PM his email).

Like you said, the overnight freight from AU and customs broker fees will kill ya.

I added a few more member tanks to the first post. If anyone has any more to add, or any coldwater links in general, PM me or post a link here.

New article from Advanced Aquarist, link in first post.

Couple more short temperate aquarium articles at AquaDaily.

http://aquadaily.com/2008/12/16/coldwater-...tank-in-norway/

http://aquadaily.com/2009/04/03/could-cold...ne-fishkeeping/

Added, thanks.

Added the new AA article to the first post. Congrats again, guys.

So did anyone ever order from the Gulf of Maine? I saw their price for the 10gal package.

Mr A did a custom order a while back.

If/when you do one with them after your tank is set up, lmk. no reason not to split shipping being this close.

True and the livestock, cuz getting the package all at once wouldnt be good I dont think.

Three books I found that may be of some interest to the cool kids.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/052021705...me=&seller=

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...ER&v=glance

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...ER&v=glance

I know my tank is new but if its possible could you add it to the member tank list? The link is in my sig.

Added!




*runs from Jer*

On the list woot woot. I better take some new pics soon then

I found this article interesting and informative. Regarding one of more common temperate
anenomes that may find its way into your biotope. Anthopleura Elegantissima or commonly
refer to as the aggregating anenome.


http://www.biolbull.org/cgi/content/abstract/215/1/73




Here is the full text.

http://www.biolbull.org/cgi/content/full/215/1/73

H

This is also a very informative.

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:xI9rz...p;client=safari


Fission in Sea Anemones: Integrative Studies of Life Cycle Evolution

http://icb.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/45/4/615.pdf

Happy reading,

H

http://cgi.ebay.com/1-x-Marine-Tank-Anemon...27ac69211a#shId

ooooh nice.

Would that survive shipment to the US?

Ah, I didn't realize it was in the UK. :/

The GBP didn't throw you off

jon olav's macro algae tank is featured in this month's FAMA

and here's a good article at http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2009/10/aafeature

TR's own resource thread...http://temperatereef.forumotion.com/reef-d...change-t125.htm

and whats it in so far...

Coldwater Reef Info

Comparison of Cold/Warm Water Reefs - http://www.unep.org/cold_water_reefs/comparison.htm

Coldwater Reef Distribution - http://maps.grida.no/go/graphic/coldwater-...fs-distribution



Biogenic Reefs Coldwater Corals - http://www.jncc.gov.uk/page-1449

Coldwater Reefs & Corals - http://www.coralscience.org/home/content/v...8/lang,english/

Temperate Reefs and Climate Change/Trawlers

- http://climatewatch.org/index.php?option=c...32&Itemid=2

- http://weblog.greenpeace.org/makingwaves/a...water_reef.html

Fish Info

Sticklebacks - http://blogs.thatpetplace.com/thatfishblog...ea-stickleback/

Kelp Forests

Photos With Info - http://life.bio.sunysb.edu/marinebio/kelpforest.html

Californias Ancient Kelp Forests - http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/200...--cak111009.php

Kelp Forest Photos - http://www.oceanlight.com/html/kelp.html

Channel Islands Kelp Forests - http://www.rain.org/campinternet/channelhistory/kelp/

BBC Kelp Community Article - http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/blueplanet/inf...munity_bg.shtml

I took the chance and went for it.



All five arrived alive and well. Shipped from the UK to San Francisco. It took six days to ship.
To my surprise one of them had babies a total of six tiny polyps on top of the five adult anenomes.
I would recommend this seller highly if you want beadlet anenomes. I am really happy with this
whole experience.

H

who is the seller?

Awesome, glad it worked out so well.

Those are beautiful nems .

Beautiful, and not expensive. If I'm reading the ebay ad right, the anemones cost $1.66 each, and shipping to the US is about $23.50. Is that about how it worked? It makes me wonder what else this seller could get for us?

Well the total was 77.05 (shipping included) It is not so bad considering how rare beadlets are in California.
Actinia equina for me was second to my most wanted anenomes. Number one on my list was Corynactis
Californica which I have now. I have ask the seller questions about how he obtained these anenomes
and hinted if he had anything else. Have not heard from the seller as of yet. I will keep you updated. If you
check the seller's history, it shows that he has been selling them for sometime now. Just keep an eye out for him when he sells his next batch.

H

I can go out collecting on the next new moon if anyone wants some bananophyllia elegans, or anything else, just be specific. PM me your deets.