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glennr1978
How's that monti experiment going? Got any recent pics?
scottyreef
Well I havent been around much lately my tanks doing fairly well I am away during the week on business so i only get to check her out on the weekends but I'm getting steedy growth through 20% weekly water changes.

I'm not dosing during the week because I'm no there to monitor it but i do add the right stuff to keep up the growth cycle when I'm home.

I'm updating to a MP40esw this weekend and to answer your question glenn the growth is good but one on the monti's is stronger than the others and its killing the super an but thats the way it goes I'll post pic's this weekend of the tank
Paleoreef103
I think this tank needs some updates! What do you think of the Elos Abyss bulb? I've heard that it is a lot like a radium but a bit stronger. Also, which monti is taking over the disk? Just curious. Love the coral collection.
scottyreef
QUOTE (Paleoreef103 @ Jul 8 2010, 06:54 AM) *
I think this tank needs some updates! What do you think of the Elos Abyss bulb? I've heard that it is a lot like a radium but a bit stronger. Also, which monti is taking over the disk? Just curious. Love the coral collection.


Yeah i know but i have been working away from home soo much i can't seem to find the time for a proper update. the Elos abyss bulbs are pretty good there not as tidy bowl blue as the radiums which is good they do put out a lot more par and my growth is similar to a 14k bulb so i really like them. as for my multi monti disk the rainbow is doing the growing and the jedi mind trick doing the killing. I'm about to remove the rainbow and put some Mean joe green on it ( it looks like a acid green sunset) Hopefully I'll have some pics up by saturday
scottyreef
without me realizing it but my tank has been running non stop for over a year now it would be two years but things happen you know. I didnt even lose a day when the old CADlight decided to split in half lol. anyway how time fly's a few years ago i thought the term "nano reef" was kind of a joke but how things have changed in as little as four years. Funny isnt it...I just realized this is year 13 ( I started june of 1997) of me having a reef tank all by my lonesome. I have came a really long way my self with all the disaster tanks i made over the years. But those are stories for another day
scottyreef
Here are the promised pics i didnt get a pic of the multi monti rock so it will have to wait until next sunday at the earliest.

Also I took these as i was leaving this morning and i didnt see the pic until now so they arnt all the best quailty but its a start

I got a few nex things but i dont remember if i posted them already so here you are










scottyreef
I also found myself a person thats going to hook me up with some flamethrower chalice and im not talking about a small frag but a +3" mini colony... Im super stoked lol
pismo_reefer
nice. cool.gif
scottyreef
Well today i decided that I'm going to try something new in my tank so I just ordered a 500ml bag of NP Biopellets from aqaurium specilty along with another media reactor to run my soild vodka dosing trials in.For those how dont know what soild vodka dosing is this snipet from reef builders will fill you in.

http://www.aquariumspecialty.com/catalog/p...roducts_id=5742


Solid Vodka Dosing is a relatively new concept from a company called NP Biopellets. The carbon source-infused polymer beads are meant to grow bacteria in layers that could usher in a revolutionary new way to manage nutrients in aquarium water. If it works. We say “if” because although the idea and principles for solid vodka dosing are sound, there has been very little real world testing for the use of Solid Vodka Dosing in home aquaria. To be clear, these nutrient reducing pellets have nothing to do with vodka but the term reflects the regular vodka dosing which many reef aquarists have been using for years now. The Solid Vodka Dosing concept is reminiscent of the good ole Nitrex media that has been in use for freshwater aquariums for decades. According to the manufacturer NP Biopellets, the biodegradable polymer pellets can be placed in a canister or fluidized bed filter. Carbon from the Biopellets will fuel the growth of nitrogen and phosphate consuming bacteria that colonize the pellet in anaerobic and aerobic successions.

The manufacturer of the NP reducing biopellets has a “how it works” page that is lackluster in details of what really drives the solid vodka dosing method. The only real details are that the media takes 2-4 weeks for bacteria to colonize in any siginificant number (which just about anyone can deduce from a basic understanding of bacterial colonization) and that 1 liter of the NP reducing Biopellets is enough media to treat around 500 liters/ 130 gallons of aquarium water. The biopellets should be placed in an area of high flow to prevent the buildup of hydrogen sulfide and to encourage strong bacterial colonization. Using this lightweight media in a fluidized bed scenario might encourage the breaking off of bacterial film that will in turn feed the aquarium corals a-la Zeovit reactor. Whether this home made marine snow is enough to feed and sustain difficult species is totally unknown
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Has anyone else on here tried it? I know some people on reefcentral have and i have heard some pretty good reviews best of all you cant over dose your tank which i worried about with straight vodka


I'll keep you guys informed with what i find
Paleoreef103
This guy does solid vodka dosing on a pretty breathtaking SPS reef and he's very happy with it.
http://www.nano-reef.com/forums/index.php?...0795&st=120 Love the tank! It's doing fantastic!
scottyreef
I aquired a very nice show chalice colony a few months back and its has been sitting in my frag system ever since and next I am going to Unvail to a reefer friends next week. I and a few other people have seen its true glory. the frist frags will be sold at auction at the 2010 Inland Empire Coral Farmers Market in Sept. But as of 7/30 i am going to offer a few frags up for pre sale for a cheaper price that it will be sold for in the future
( yes i said cheaper) 4- 3/4" frags @ $125 each.

Goofy Grape Ausie Echinophyllia ( you need to use you imagination lol)


the coral is coloration cross between the Creamsicle Chalice LE from WWC & the Golden Galaxy from AQL and also the same speices . its a dark purple with pink and blue highlights with bright yellow/green eyes. the coral also shows a green rim during the first couple months of growth but it fades and turns to pink
http://www.reeffarmers.com/limitedgoldengalaxy.htm
http://www.reeffarmers.com/limitedcreamsiclechalice.htm

Main colony and pictures of frags will fallow very soon

Scott
scottyreef
Last night I upgraded my two mp20's to mp40ESW I know its super over kill but they both are turned way down. I am goin to run it for a while and see if i should just stay with one or just keep them both I am kind of pondering on getting 4 MP-10ESW so i can go full ecosmart mode.......Mmmm
pismo_reefer
how much fudda mp20's?
scottyreef
well there both mp40esw at the moment but I'll keep you in mind if I sell one. I got the upgrade kits for M.A.P price so i got a pretty good deal and plus i had a whole bunch of store credit i had to burn
pismo_reefer
lemme know. biggrin.gif
scottyreef
I'm setting up a live camera of this tank hopefully this weekend so i can check on it over the next couple week since i won't be around (got to make that coral money lol). so if anyone want to gander at my tank I am going to post a live feed on ustream.tv along with a feed to my aquacontroller
Jacobnano
Wow the tank is looking great man! It is about time I wander back in here tongue.gif

Hey I am starting to get into chalices (I know lol) I was wondering, can they sting each other? I mean I have my frogspawn, hammer, and torch right next to each other because they won't sting, but do chalices? I am assuming no, but I want to be safe. I only have one chalice right now anyway though.

Also, got any small frags of chalices you need to get rid of haha?
nUgZ
Nice collection Scotty!!

QUOTE (Jacobnano @ Jul 24 2010, 07:48 PM) *
Hey I am starting to get into chalices (I know lol) I was wondering, can they sting each other? I mean I have my frogspawn, hammer, and torch right next to each other because they won't sting, but do chalices? I am assuming no, but I want to be safe. I only have one chalice right now anyway though.


Some chalices will do fine next to others, but not all. Almost all will at some point show some aggression.
scottyreef
well if they are extacly the same speices they will grow over each other and not kill the other one. but more often then not they will kill each other. A miami huricane has some tentacles over 6" long and its a pretty strong stinger. i have a whole bunch of chalice frags i think i have about 30 frags of about 7-8 types in my frag system. most of them are going to coral swaps and shows i figure i have 8 or 9 up for grabs that i can get rid of. A sponser on here is selling my ziggy stardust chalice along with my pink cotten candy and they are going to be selling my goofy grape chalice when i release it to the public

thanks for the props guys
Jacobnano
QUOTE (scottyreef @ Jul 24 2010, 07:59 PM) *
well if they are extacly the same speices they will grow over each other and not kill the other one. but more often then not they will kill each other. A miami huricane has some tentacles over 6" long and its a pretty strong stinger. i have a whole bunch of chalice frags i think i have about 30 frags of about 7-8 types in my frag system. most of them are going to coral swaps and shows i figure i have 8 or 9 up for grabs that i can get rid of. A sponser on here is selling my ziggy stardust chalice along with my pink cotten candy and they are going to be selling my goofy grape chalice when i release it to the public

thanks for the props guys


@Nugz. Well that is a bummer lol.


That is pretty weird. You would think that since they are all the same family (?) they would want to further their species, not kill each other. Acans don't sting each other tongue.gif Wow that is insane. 6 inches! Well if you want to sell those 8 or 9 frags let me know cool.gif That is cool, when you release it to the public eh? Special one I assume?
scottyreef
well you have to look at like acro's they might all be acros but there are differnt speices in each group and on top of that the term chalice applies to, Echinophyllia,Mycedium,Oxypora,Pectinia, Physophyllia and Echinomorpha so thats what can lead to coral stinging. Yeah the coral is from austrialia and its got some pretty intense coloration

A little info on "Chalices"

Oxypora spp.

The most common and well-known of the chalice corals are those from the genus Oxypora. These often have stunning spirals of wafer-thin plates rising from their thick base. Large irregularly spaced corallites are visible, and it's from these corallites that the animal’s polyps and stinging sweeper tentacles emerge. It is important to give this animal an ample buffer zone so it does not sting other sessile invertebrates. These corals do best with brighter lighting and lower flow situations, although like most corals in the family, they are quite tolerant of a wide range of conditions.

Genus Mycedium

Oxypora species are frequently confused with corals from the genus Mycedium. While both may be called chalice corals, Mycedium species are more commonly called elephant nose coral or peacock coral. The corallites of Mycedium species angle toward the outer perimeter of the coral, and this is the easiest way to tell the difference between the two. In addition to their stinging sweeper tentacles, Mycedium species can release toxins into the water as a means of competing with neighboring corals, especially soft corals. Mycedium species are fairly tolerant of varying degrees of lighting and current, and deep water varieties can also do well in low light and shaded situations.

Genus Echinophyllia

Echinophyllia species are favorites amongst reef aquarist looking for a brightly colored, chalice coral. Frequently more colorful than either Oxypora or Mycedium species, Echinophyllia are perhaps even hardier and more tolerant of varying lighting and flow conditions. These corals are capable of aggressive behavior, as they also possess long stinging sweeper tentacles.

Genus Echinopora

Chalice corals from the genus Echinophyllia are often confused with chalice corals from the genus Echinopora. The genus Echinopora is part of the Family Faviidae, which also includes such aquarium favorites as trumpet coral (Caulastrea species) and moon, pineapple or closed brain coral (Favia species). While Echinopora is indeed a Faviid, it can take on a chalice growth pattern. Chalice corals from the genus Echinopora are frequently misidentified as Mycedium or Oxypora species. Echinopora specimens are very hardy and tolerant of varying lighting and flow situations, but they seem to do best in bright light situations with at least moderate current.

Genus Echinomorpha

Chalice corals from the genus Echinomorpha belong to the Family Pectiniidae. There is only one species in the genus, and it is a beauty. Like most of the other corals described, it is a fairly hardy animal that is extremely light tolerant, although it displays its best colors under bright lights
Jacobnano
QUOTE (scottyreef @ Jul 24 2010, 08:16 PM) *
well you have to look at like acro's they might all be acros but there are differnt speices in each group and on top of that the term chalice applies to, Echinophyllia,Mycedium,Oxypora,Pectinia, Physophyllia and Echinomorpha so thats what can lead to coral stinging. Yeah the coral is from austrialia and its got some pretty intense coloration

A little info on "Chalices"

Oxypora spp.

The most common and well-known of the chalice corals are those from the genus Oxypora. These often have stunning spirals of wafer-thin plates rising from their thick base. Large irregularly spaced corallites are visible, and it's from these corallites that the animal’s polyps and stinging sweeper tentacles emerge. It is important to give this animal an ample buffer zone so it does not sting other sessile invertebrates. These corals do best with brighter lighting and lower flow situations, although like most corals in the family, they are quite tolerant of a wide range of conditions.

Genus Mycedium

Oxypora species are frequently confused with corals from the genus Mycedium. While both may be called chalice corals, Mycedium species are more commonly called elephant nose coral or peacock coral. The corallites of Mycedium species angle toward the outer perimeter of the coral, and this is the easiest way to tell the difference between the two. In addition to their stinging sweeper tentacles, Mycedium species can release toxins into the water as a means of competing with neighboring corals, especially soft corals. Mycedium species are fairly tolerant of varying degrees of lighting and current, and deep water varieties can also do well in low light and shaded situations.

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Boycotting the Trade in Parrotfish
Algae-grazing parrotfishes are not protected and are often available in the tropical aquarium trade. Conservation-minded aquarists should, however, boycott their sale. Genus Echinophyllia

Echinophyllia species are favorites amongst reef aquarist looking for a brightly colored, chalice coral. Frequently more colorful than either Oxypora or Mycedium species, Echinophyllia are perhaps even hardier and more tolerant of varying lighting and flow conditions. These corals are capable of aggressive behavior, as they also possess long stinging sweeper tentacles.

Genus Echinopora

Chalice corals from the genus Echinophyllia are often confused with chalice corals from the genus Echinopora. The genus Echinopora is part of the Family Faviidae, which also includes such aquarium favorites as trumpet coral (Caulastrea species) and moon, pineapple or closed brain coral (Favia species). While Echinopora is indeed a Faviid, it can take on a chalice growth pattern. Chalice corals from the genus Echinopora are frequently misidentified as Mycedium or Oxypora species. Echinopora specimens are very hardy and tolerant of varying lighting and flow situations, but they seem to do best in bright light situations with at least moderate current.

Genus Echinomorpha

Chalice corals from the genus Echinomorpha belong to the Family Pectiniidae. There is only one species in the genus, and it is a beauty. Like most of the other corals described, it is a fairly hardy animal that is extremely light tolerant, although it displays its best colors under bright lights


Duh :facepalm:

ooooh what does it look like?


Cool, the one chalice I have is either an echinophyllia or oxypora. Interesting.

Thanks for all that. I actually read it. Now I know the difference. Interesting that echinopora is actually a faviid. Also about the Echinomorpha, it says there is only one species. That is very cool. Do you have one?
scottyreef
yeah i have one that really a looker
Echinomorpha




Echinophyllia tentecals


Mycedium



Oxypora



Echinopora
I dont have any more it a too fast of a grower its the hollywood stunner and tyree blue chalice type
Jacobnano
Wow beautiful!

The echinomorpha is insane. How fast of a grower?

Those are actually all pretty nice looking. I envy you Scotty.

Along with being fast growers, I don't find them as colorful as the rest of your chalices.
scottyreef
SLOOOOOOOOW it maybe has grown 1/4" in 6 months i have about 30 different chalice in my collection some ranging for $30 a frag to $300 a eye so it varies. Im nothing to envey i get most of my corals through trades and if i do pay for a coral i usally get a good discount but i spread the love so to speak i am always giving stuff away.............................. If your local mind you ahaha




also on the Echinomorpha they are super low light chalices any high amount of light will bleach them in a matter of days. I still have one recovering after it happened to me
Jacobnano
QUOTE (scottyreef @ Jul 24 2010, 08:59 PM) *
SLOOOOOOOOW it maybe has grown 1/4" in 6 months i have about 30 different chalice in my collection some ranging for $30 a frag to $300 a eye so it varies. Im nothing to envey i get most of my corals through trades and if i do pay for a coral i usally get a good discount but i spread the love so to speak i am always giving stuff away.............................. If your local mind you ahaha




also on the Echinomorpha they are super low light chalices any high amount of light will bleach them in a matter of days. I still have one recovering after it happened to me


Wow that is really slow lol. That is a lot of money in corals, corals that grow and multiply in value wink.gif Nothing to envy? Ha! Your tank is amazing. I am still waiting for it to get TOTM lol. Oh well that is handy, I wish I had locals. Wanna trade with me haha? Not even fair. I wish I was local lol.

Oh really? That is interesting. You would think since they are so colorful they would be high light. Bummer about the one you had bleach, hopefully it recovers quickly!
scottyreef
the corals fine a quick factoid if you ever have a prize coral belach out on you a good remedy is to actually brown it out if you have the space and the light just a 6500k CF bulb yeah you heard me lol. if lets the coral heal and after a couple weeks put it back into your to re color up. its that simple. between you me and the wall I have had TOTM once a few years ago...... its not all that great because as soon as your tank has a problem everybody mentions how good your tank "USE" to look..............
Jacobnano
That makes sense. It would be less stressful on them. It would take longer to get back to the original color, but it would completely live! I will def do that next time!

You did?? :lookingattheTOTMthread: I don't see your name? Did you have a different username? Or was it here on NR? Regardless congrats man! And yea that would be a pain. Sorry sad.gif I guess you would know with the whole tank cracking thing too.
scottyreef
QUOTE (Jacobnano @ Jul 24 2010, 09:28 PM) *
That makes sense. It would be less stressful on them. It would take longer to get back to the original color, but it would completely live! I will def do that next time!

You did?? :lookingattheTOTMthread: I don't see your name? Did you have a different username? Or was it here on NR? Regardless congrats man! And yea that would be a pain. Sorry sad.gif I guess you would know with the whole tank cracking thing too.



no it wasnt on here it was a differnt place and a different time I'm not one to boust....... to be honest the tanks gone after it crashed back in dec of 2007 after a winter power outage after a snow storm. its one of the reason i cam her to NR with a new name and for the first time trying the small tanks. the cracked tank wasnt too bad atleast i saved everything
Jacobnano
You aren't boasting haha, you are just giving me the facts. You should post a pic of the old tank if you can smile.gif Ahh that is a bummer. That is completely out of your control though, nothing you could really do. Small tanks are pretty nice cool.gif That is very true. So you didn't lose a single thing? That is skill man.
scottyreef
I might post some pics someday but it still erks me a bit...anyway i did lose one thing when my 22g crack for some reason before i was fighting red bugs but after ward i had none it was pretty nice.
Jacobnano
Wow awesome! That is the best thing to lose haha. If you don't want to that is fine lol.

You do need to post more pics of your tank though! Like the chalices!!
scottyreef
in my talking about what kinds of chalices that are out there i forgot a few that i will post later but theres also the Lithophyllon type of chalice. I have a Lithophyllon undulatum chalice which looks between a chalice and a fungia plate coral
Jacobnano
Ooooh interesting. Does it encrust or no?
scottyreef
no its a plater here i found a old pic of mine of it ( its not great i know its not expensive but is a rare one to see on the market)



heres the Goofy grape chalice i was talking about do you think i picked a decent name lol



Jacobnano
Not bad looking cool.gif


Haha awesome. That name has a lot more meaning than I thought, I have never seen that drink before lol. That chalice isn't bad looking at all. How big is it?
scottyreef
it was about 8" when i got it a few months ago but with fragging its about 6 1/2" now. The stopped making the drink in the late 80's i think way before your time i think lol... it was basically kool aide
Jacobnano
Wow big chalice! How do the frags look? Ahh that makes sense lol, I figured it was before my time tongue.gif
scottyreef
the frags from the back side look great but i cut quite a bit of the under growth that had no developed eyes yet that i hope will look better in the comming week
Jacobnano
Cool cool. Hopefully those other frags get some eyes and start growing! So I read this was brown when you got it? Nice job!
scottyreef
yeah it was brown with a purpleish hue its eyes where still bright green so i took the gamble and i think i did pretty well
Jacobnano
I think you did too! If it turns out to be a pretty fast grower that would be awesome!
scottyreef
I got me some much coveited Orenji Monti today I also got a large beautiful full size colony of a emerald green with purple hues Acropora suharsonoi. I'll post pictures this coming friday I have to go away for work for a couple days
scottyreef
I got a email from someone yesterday interested in my goofy grape chalice and they wanted to see it under lower K lighting. the last picture was taken under Elos abyss 20k ( which are very high par and not super blue) this picture is under my grow out system light which are 250watt Reeflux SE 12k no photo editing has been made.

Jacobnano
QUOTE (scottyreef @ Jul 28 2010, 10:18 PM) *
I got me some much coveited Orenji Monti today I also got a large beautiful full size colony of a emerald green with purple hues Acropora suharsonoi. I'll post pictures this coming friday I have to go away for work for a couple days


Sweeet.

QUOTE (scottyreef @ Jul 29 2010, 01:36 PM) *
I got a email from someone yesterday interested in my goofy grape chalice and they wanted to see it under lower K lighting. the last picture was taken under Elos abyss 20k ( which are very high par and not super blue) this picture is under my grow out system light which are 250watt Reeflux SE 12k no photo editing has been made.



Wow that thing still looks pretty awesome! If it didn't have those green spots it wouldn't be as good, they really add a lot of contrast.
scottyreef
Thanks I'll be heading up to washington (driving) from my brothers wedding next month it will be in seattle but if you want something i can send it home with my brother who live in the tri cities and you can go pick it up or something.

the 20ks really make it pop and yeah it it was just plain purple and blue it still would be nice but the color contrast really makes it speical
Jacobnano
Awesome! When is that happening? There are a few things I might be interested in tongue.gif

Yea it really does. Hopefully (or do you know yet?) it turns out to be a fast grower!
scottyreef
its friday Aug 20th my whole family has tanks so if i do bring some stuff up there will be plenty of places to put them. Um its a decent growner I would say one new eye a month or a about 1/8-1/4" of new grown a month in perfect conditions as the frags get bigger the growth will increase make sure it always has some thing to plate across of the growth will slow down significantly ( ie a free standing over hang)
pismo_reefer
Scott...

Yer still my reefing hero. laugh.gif
scottyreef
you make me luagh mike hey I'm taking down one of my small frag systems because of a problem with the tanks depth. i will be selling some stuff and giving some things away soon if your interested. nothing super crazy some sun coral, a couple bleached but recovering chalices frags, random mid level end zoas and some other stuff thats not comming to mind. tell me if your interested
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