StevieT
Jul 23 2008, 02:43 PM
no problem.
I am digging the sunken ship, I think you can actually make this work in the tank for you.
Your rocks look very unnatural. Now this is your tank and the aquascape is all up to you, but it looks like a person stacked them up like blocks. I would go for a more natural look, get rid of some of the caves, the holes etc.
Often in this hobby, you start to learn that the LFS isn't the all mighty information spot. Sometimes sadly, they are out there to make money and not sell you something that is good for your tank. Now a condy anem is an easier one to care for yes, but it still should not be given to a begineer, or a tank that is only 2 months old. From the pictures it looks bleached out, too white, they are more of a yellow color naturally. Your water perams are much better than what I thought you were saying. The nitrate is managable, 10 is actually average for a tank that young. It took me 2-3 months to get it to 0. Removing the bio balls will greatly help, also look into running chemi pure elite and or purigen as chemical medias.
Some info on your anem:
QUOTE
The Condy Anemone requires strong light and should never be purchased if a good lighting system is not in place. It will do well in an aquarium with live rock and several crustaceans. Although a Condy requires a reef environment, it is not the best suited for the reef aquarium. The Condy Anemone moves around the tank and has a sting that can inflict grave damage to other anemones and corals. Do not include its natural predators such as the Red-Leg Hermit Crab. Unlike other anemones, the Condy Anemone does not have a relationship with any particular fish, and it is rare for any type of clownfish or damsel to reside within them. The diet should include feedings of fish, mussels, shrimp, or other foods of this type.
I would say it needs to be higher in the tank, but if I am reading correctly, it is not the best anem overall for any reef tank as it can and will sting other corals.
On your corals, I do not know what the first one is, the second is some kind of polyp, I have seen others here that look just like it, some sort of common polyp type coral. They look easy to care for.
With a reef, you need to be doing weekly water changes which will not only remove wastes, but replace trace elements that your corals feed off of. Calc and alk are very important to manage so a good reef testing kit is in order. I tested for the first few months but after thay you get a clue on what your tank needs and when to dose or not to. Basically I dose with a two part solution every 2-4 days depending on water changes, yet I have a lot of SPS corals that eat up calc pretty quickly.
Most of that algae is normal, more flow can help the diatoms, also feeding every other day different CUC. The hair algae is a tough one, some struggle with it, the blenny should really do the job though. Nitrates are a part of algae, but not the only factor. The hair algae will still grow with 0 nitrates in the tank.
Your waters surface looks pretty stagnant. You need some surface agitation to improve gas exchange. Also I see some surface film buildup, some tips for this tank are to lower the water level to just bellow the black molding and raise the intake grate about 1/4"
It also looks like your rocks are touching or really close the glass sides. This can make cleaning of algae really tough.
jjhill
Jul 24 2008, 01:08 AM
Yeah I was just thinking that same thing myself about the aqua-scaping. I didn't mind the look but with the rocks so close to the glass it has been a nightmare to clean and is very prone to getting lots of algae on the glass. Next water change, I think I'll do some rock re-arranging.
Thanks for the tips. I think then the plan will be to sit tight for a while on adding any corals and let the tank mature a bit. Perhaps in the meantime it would be worth while to look into the skimmer upgrade. They run for about $150.00 don't they? Or do you know any place to get them cheaper?
StevieT
Jul 24 2008, 09:08 AM
I would rescape it, too hard to clean, and when the tank matures, it is going to be impossible to remove any coralline algae.
The Tunze runs $150, they have a price lock so the only place to find one cheaper would be used. Any vendor that sells them will be the same as the next.
I would say if you rescape, look into the skimmer and keep those nitrates 0-10ppm, you can get some corals in there. Your tank is plenty old right now. That ship will look great all covered in coralline someday.
jjhill
Jul 24 2008, 12:09 PM
Ok, so I was bored last night so I decided I would do my weekly water change a couple days early. Also gave me a chance to siphon out some of the diatoms and move some rocks around. Let me know what you think of the new aqua-scaping.

Full tank shot. I angled up one of the pumps to break up the surface a little as well as closing the comb a little bit. It seems to have helped with the surface organic matter.

A little cave I made. The coral banded shrimp has taken a liking to it.

The boat. I'm an avid wreak Scuba Diver, so I felt a wreak would be a nice touch.

Another full tank shot.
I also have some nice sea shells I bought from a store in California while Scuba diving. I didn't collect them myself so the store has cleaned them for retail sale. Some are real cool looking and are all fairly small. if I boil them really good to sterilize them are they ok to add to the tank? I figure the hermit crabs might like to have a little variety to the substrate. I would likely only add three or four just for some nice decoration as long as it won't interfere with the water chemistry.
Thanks for all your help. Greatly appreciated. My apologies for taking up so much room in a thread that is suppose to be devoted to your tank.
StevieT
Jul 24 2008, 01:43 PM
It looks much nicer! I would sudgest getting a few more peices of rock to fill in the gaps now, better to do it before adding corals. Look for fully cured rock since your tank is already started.
The shells will be fine, a selection of homes for a hermit(s) is a good thing since if they feel the need, they will kill a snail for the shell. Boil them and you will be good to go, it will not mess with any chemistry if fully cleaned, which they most likely are already from the store.
Looks like it's time to start your own tank thread, you have a good start on the pictures!
Oh, and the waters surface looks much better! haha, don't worry, with 48 pages already, another one doesn't hurt. The index in the front was a must, not only for others reading, by for myself, I don't know what is where on this thing.
lilredneckman
Jul 24 2008, 02:09 PM
Stevie, i am thinking about replacing my pump on my stock RSM skimmer and i was thinking about the MJ 900. Would this work? i would egt the Tunze 9002 but right now i really do not have the money.
Thanks
StevieT
Jul 24 2008, 02:15 PM
QUOTE (lilredneckman @ Jul 24 2008, 02:09 PM)

Stevie, i am thinking about replacing my pump on my stock RSM skimmer and i was thinking about the MJ 900. Would this work? i would egt the Tunze 9002 but right now i really do not have the money.
Thanks
no idea on that one... My educated guess would say that you have to stick with the red sea pump since it is the correct dimentions and rating.
http://www.marineandreef.com/MAX_Replaceme..._p/rrs40253.htmwow, not cheap, what is wrong with yours? I would give you mine, but I am using it for water changes.
I would think you could pick one up from many of the RSM owners that swapped out their skimmer for the Tunze. I am sure they have no use for it unless for WCs
lilredneckman
Jul 24 2008, 02:15 PM
Mine keeps making this weird humming sound. Like its kind of hard to explain but it was never this bad before.
StevieT
Jul 24 2008, 06:11 PM
L34NN3
Jul 24 2008, 07:06 PM
He looks like spiderman!!!
Looks like you have a little orites hitchhiker near the crab too
Reefmack
Jul 24 2008, 07:14 PM
Great underwater pics StevieT - that new case is really doing well! I think the xanthid crabs have eyes that aren't on stalks, but I'm sure no crab expert. Try a post in the RC inverts section - it would be nice to know what type it is. In any case it's a very cool looking crab. How big is it? It still amazes me that we can still see new life forms appearing in our tanks, even after more than a year.
StevieT
Jul 25 2008, 10:01 AM
Thank RM. The crab is about 1" wide, not a small thing at all. I am just shocked I am only seeing him now, even though this morning there is no sign of it again.
I will post it over there as well, most are saying xanthid here, but confirmation would be nice.
Either way I am going to be packing heat next time I go into the tank, can't take any chance when getting on his side of the rocks
Reefmack
Jul 25 2008, 10:17 AM
When I was moving top rock from the RSM to the little 9g tank a while back something black fell off one rock as I was lifting it and it slithered down into the other rock. I'm 99.99% sure it was a crab about the size of yours. Never saw it before that and haven't seen it since. It was about a year when I saw my first bristleworm in the RSM, and it was several inches long, so they're in there but I just don't see them. The little tank that I moved the RSM rock into is loaded with them. Every time I lift up the filters in back of it, or clean out the filters, fuge or media, I see a couple. I have to be very careful working in the back of that little tank or I'll get stuck by one of those b___tards! They obviously came out of the RSM. It makes you wonder what other things are in our tanks that we aren't even aware of! It's bad enough avoiding the known dangers when we work in the tank, let alone wondering what else might bite, sting or poison us.
SteveGB
Jul 25 2008, 05:44 PM
StevieT, did you notice any difference in nitrate levels after you installed the Tunze skimmer, all of a sudden my stock one is churning out next to nothing..good job that shiny new rack is nearly on my doorstep.
baugherb
Jul 25 2008, 08:49 PM
He looks like a grumpy little sucker...... lol....
nanoob
Jul 26 2008, 10:31 AM
QUOTE (Reefmack @ Jul 25 2008, 08:14 AM)

Great underwater pics StevieT - that new case is really doing well! I think the xanthid crabs have eyes that aren't on stalks, but I'm sure no crab expert. Try a post in the RC inverts section - it would be nice to know what type it is. In any case it's a very cool looking crab. How big is it? It still amazes me that we can still see new life forms appearing in our tanks, even after more than a year.
I recently has a red chiton about 1 inch long emerging out of my live rock right before my eyes. First time i lay my eyes on a chiton. Any idea about the care? Thanks to advice from Reefmack and Steve, my red sea max nitrate is zero now...
StevieT
Jul 26 2008, 08:16 PM
QUOTE (SteveGB @ Jul 25 2008, 05:44 PM)

StevieT, did you notice any difference in nitrate levels after you installed the Tunze skimmer, all of a sudden my stock one is churning out next to nothing..good job that shiny new rack is nearly on my doorstep.
by the time that I installed the Tunze my tank was say 5-6 months old. So I was far into a more mature tank with no nitrates. Can it help, yes deffinetly can help with nitrates. But the main part would be weekly water changes and watch over feeding and over stocking. Protein skimmers are great at removing organic wastes from the fish and foods that you introduce into the aquarium, all of which can lead to nitrates. So you should see something, but of course keep up with maintenance and all around good husbandry.
Take a look at that rack when it arrives, that will be the last time it is shiny and new

It easy to clean though
Kraylen
Jul 26 2008, 08:18 PM
Im thinking about a RSM to go on top of my kegorator.... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....
StevieT
Jul 26 2008, 08:34 PM
QUOTE (Kraylen @ Jul 26 2008, 08:18 PM)

Im thinking about a RSM to go on top of my kegorator.... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....
probably the best idea ever, as long as it isn't rice beer, I see only win in this situation!
SteveGB
Jul 27 2008, 07:10 AM

I'll take some photos!
I've been fighting a losing battle with nitrates lately, just found out the water I get from my LFS has about 20ppm of the stuff..

Been doing big water changes for no reason, buying my own RO unit.
Click to view attachment
StevieT
Jul 27 2008, 12:59 PM
that sucks, it is always best to control the water that goes into your tank from start to finish. 20 isn't too bad though, you should be able to get that down.
GrandStrandReefer
Jul 27 2008, 04:21 PM
Hello StevieT and all you fellow nano-reefers!
I read this post from start to finish this afternoon. /whew It has taken me nearly 5 hours and I have been truely blown away. Excelent job to StevieT and everyone else who has contributed.
I have owned my RSM for nearly a year, but just got it set up last weekend. (friend in the biz got it for me at cost) I have been waiting for a perminant place to set it up is why it has taken so long.
Got it stocked with nearly 50 lbs of LR but used the substrate for the starter kit to begin my cycle. As of Friday I started to get my first alge bloom. My computer skills are a bit laking but hopefully with the help of my wife I can post some pics on my own thread shortly.
I have the Tunze skimmer otw as well as a jbj ATO. Being an older version of the Max, I don't have the additional cooling fan in the rear but have spoken to Pinky and she has one as well as 2 additional hood fans otw. Really looking forward to seeing if the cooling fan will help because as of now I have been getting temp spikes above 83 during the day with the lights on. T-stat in house is set at 74 all the time. Plus I don't think the stock heater is very good because when I had the tank at 79.5 I had to set it to 74 for the light to go out.
I have also added a Hydor 1 circ pump and the Flo deflector. Pump is not running atm however. I have noticed that my Flo looks different from the ones in your pics in that it doesn't have the black disc shapped ring on the connection side. It appears that it works in a simmilar fashion to the one in your Youtube vid.
I feel like i'm starting to ramble so i'll wrap it up.
A few questions that I have are:
1. Could you go into a bit more detail about the pump you used and how you set up your ATO? If I missed it somewhere in the last 49 pages I appoligize.
2. When is it safe to add a CUC and what do you reccomend? The kits that the Doctors sell seem a bit excesive for a small tank.
3. How long should I be running my lights being only 8 days into the cycle?
4. Is steve.taggart@us.atlascopco.com still a good contact and if so is that the best way to discuss obtaining the media rack and skimmer cup mod?
Thank you in advance and again super job on this extensive and truely informative post.
Dan P.
Martin_S
Jul 27 2008, 04:39 PM
StevieT . Nice video.. Snail ride
probebly.. its on here for some time now.
But how did you made this rotation device!!!
or on what page in your journal is it?
StevieT
Jul 27 2008, 05:51 PM
QUOTE (Martin_S @ Jul 27 2008, 04:39 PM)

StevieT . Nice video.. Snail ride
probebly.. its on here for some time now.
But how did you made this rotation device!!!
or on what page in your journal is it?
I didn't make it. It is a rotating deflector made by Hydro, you can find them at some LFS's and online retailers for around $12.00
Martin_S
Jul 27 2008, 05:55 PM
Tnx..
see if i can find one at my local reef shop! ( Netherlands )
QUOTE (StevieT @ Jul 27 2008, 06:51 PM)

I didn't make it. It is a rotating deflector made by Hydro, you can find them at some LFS's and online retailers for around $12.00
StevieT
Jul 27 2008, 06:00 PM
Dan P.-

good to have another RSM owner on N-R!
Hope this helps you, I am glad that my thread could provide some information, it is getting rather large! Probably time for a few new indexed areas.
1. Could you go into a bit more detail about the pump you used and how you set up your ATO? If I missed it somewhere in the last 49 pages I appoligize.
I used a Maxijet 1200, it was probably overkill but they are bullet proof. I went off the lifting height sudgested by the company, a 900 didn't look like enough. You can also use an airlifter, but a nice cheap maxijet never hurt anything.2. When is it safe to add a CUC and what do you reccomend? The kits that the Doctors sell seem a bit excesive for a small tank.
This is all dependent on your cycle and when your testing kits tell you to add life. Wait until you have 0 ammonia and 0 nitrite. Nitrates will be removed by successive water changes and time. Add slowly. Start with a few turbo snails and maybe a few hermits. For a total CUC, i recommnend snails for algae, hermits for detritus and uneaten food. One shimp is nice as well and they are fun to watch and can be very social.
3. How long should I be running my lights being only 8 days into the cycle?
I like to run them at 6-8 hours durning the cycle. Some don't run them at all but that seems to be counter productive. The reason would be that you want to jump start the algae blooms and get them over with. So run the lights anywhere between 4-8 hours in the day, you should see algae growing on the sand and glass and even the rocks.4. Is steve.taggart@us.atlascopco.com still a good contact and if so is that the best way to discuss obtaining the media rack and skimmer cup mod?
Yes, that is a good email for me, I can be reached pretty much all the time. I can send you a quote when you are ready for a media basket/cup, I take it you are thinking of going with the Tunze 9002 skimmer.QUOTE (Martin_S @ Jul 27 2008, 05:55 PM)

Tnx..
see if i can find one at my local reef shop! ( Netherlands )
oh, yeah I forgot you were in the Netherlands... I hope you can find one, they do break up flow nicely and provide some entertainment when a snail or crab decides to go for a ride!
GrandStrandReefer
Jul 27 2008, 06:42 PM
Thanks for the swift reply!
One other question, what size stealth heater did you use? Was it a 150w?
Dan
fierceseaman
Jul 27 2008, 07:58 PM
stevie, i know this was a awhile ago but what type arag-alive did you use in your tank? what size, the fiji pink or the special grade? thanks!
NanoNana
Jul 27 2008, 09:10 PM
SteveT: GREAT thread. THANKS for it.
If you get time, I'm a new Max owner with a few questions.
See my build thread for background: Coming to the RSM from a 175 deluxe setup due to moving. 'Scuse the temporary aquascaping. We'll be moving this tank within a few months, we hope, as we sell our home.
NanoNana's threadHere are the questions repeated. TIA!1. Does anyone besides you have clams under these stock T-5 lights? I REALLY want one (hence my flirtation with NanoTuners...) but having seen Steve's impressive growth of SPSs and the installation of his clam (remember, I'm not to the end of the 42 pages

) and am thinking I don't really need the halides (and hence, not the chiller either).
2. Surface film: I have one of the two stock pumps rippling the surface and still have crud. Wondering if the Tunze will help that, or is it just a fact of life with the RSM?
3. Fish: can one have more than one goby? I want a Rainsford but others in my list look cool, too! Yellow/pistol, firefish... Anyone know?
StevieT
Jul 27 2008, 09:12 PM
QUOTE (GrandStrandReefer @ Jul 27 2008, 06:42 PM)

Thanks for the swift reply!
One other question, what size stealth heater did you use? Was it a 150w?
Dan
I think I went with the 300W since the 150 wasn't rated big enough. There is a picture on this thread somewhere, it may show up on the label on the heater
QUOTE (fierceseaman @ Jul 27 2008, 07:58 PM)

stevie, i know this was a awhile ago but what type arag-alive did you use in your tank? what size, the fiji pink or the special grade? thanks!
1-2mm, PM responded to
StevieT
Jul 27 2008, 09:21 PM
NanoNana- responded on your thread.
fierceseaman
Aug 3 2008, 12:37 PM
Hey StevieT, I asked reefmack the same question but how did you install the hydor flo? Did you take off the loc-line and just jam it on the end? Is it on the end of the loc line? Just trying to get an idea.
Martin_S
Aug 4 2008, 03:23 AM
Tnx Stevie
Hydor Flo
I found one only 8 euro!! works perfect!!..
Nice smooth wave like streams
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS5swDnMKvI
StevieT
Aug 4 2008, 08:47 AM
QUOTE (fierceseaman @ Aug 3 2008, 12:37 PM)

Hey StevieT, I asked reefmack the same question but how did you install the hydor flo? Did you take off the loc-line and just jam it on the end? Is it on the end of the loc line? Just trying to get an idea.
It is really easy, you can see the adapter piece at the end of the bulkhead
GrandStrandReefer
Aug 4 2008, 09:04 AM
StevieT, just wanted to check with you to see if you've gotten my messages about purchasing some mods from you.
Dan P
StevieT
Aug 4 2008, 09:16 AM
QUOTE (GrandStrandReefer @ Aug 4 2008, 09:04 AM)

StevieT, just wanted to check with you to see if you've gotten my messages about purchasing some mods from you.
Dan P
yes, and I do keep responding to your emails.
Email me driectly at
steve.taggart@us.atlascopco.com apparently there isn't something working correctly when I repspond to an email, or PM me here, maybe something with a spam filter on your end. I will try you directly as well.
GrandStrandReefer
Aug 4 2008, 09:20 AM
Thanks, I kinda figured that it was something on my end screwing things up because you are so prompt with responses, I'm going to try and see if I can figure it out again now
StevieT
Aug 4 2008, 09:37 AM
QUOTE (GrandStrandReefer @ Aug 4 2008, 09:20 AM)

Thanks, I kinda figured that it was something on my end screwing things up because you are so prompt with responses, I'm going to try and see if I can figure it out again now
I have to think it is some kind of filter. I respond to every message that is sent my way, I try to do so as quickly as possible. I just sent you an email to the address you use for nano-reef, it was direct, I did not reply to the nano-reef email message this time.
Martin_S
Aug 4 2008, 10:33 AM
QUOTE (StevieT @ Aug 4 2008, 09:47 AM)

It is really easy, you can see the adapter piece at the end of the bulkhead

I did it the other way around!!
took the smalest!!
StevieT
Aug 4 2008, 10:42 AM
wow, it is funny how minds think differently! I can't see why that way wouldn't work, it is good to know their are other ways, I get asked how to mount this every now and then, thanks for the pic!
Reefmack
Aug 5 2008, 09:40 AM
FYI from jmoose on the RC RSM thread:
"For anyone interested...
I called Red Sea in Houston yesterday regarding the 130D. They are supposed to be released sometime in September. No word on price difference vs. earlier models of the 130."
Time will tell if any of the minor changes really improve things. I guess we'll have to wait till the 130D has been out there for a couple months to get any worthwhile feedback.
StevieT
Aug 5 2008, 09:56 AM
Thanks ReefMack, it will be interesting to see one in person. It still looks very expensive which may keep most around here from purchasing one. I am very interested to see new sales of the 130d vs the Max
Martin_S
Aug 5 2008, 10:18 AM
Maybe there gonne introduce there rif keramics too

Sneak preview
Reefmack
Aug 5 2008, 10:26 AM
Martin_S: does that backdrop consist of actual, bacteria supporting, liverock? I guess there must be some hidden spaces in there for the water to get through the gate?
Martin_S
Aug 5 2008, 10:30 AM
Its constructed ceramics
no life rock..
and its against the backwall.. with a skimming bucket at its original place
snake plissken
Aug 5 2008, 03:42 PM
QUOTE (Martin_S @ Aug 5 2008, 11:30 AM)

Its constructed ceramics
no life rock..
and its against the backwall.. with a skimming bucket at its original place

that's KrAzY!. i want to see pix as that setup advances. did you make it yourdelf or did you buy it somewhere?
Martin_S
Aug 6 2008, 03:51 AM
Can say too much about it ..
But what i can tell,, is that it probably be a wall that Red sea is going to bring it on the marked.
I took these pictures at someones place..he got it as a tryout
HideMe
Aug 10 2008, 11:04 PM
My eyes are burning...

I've tried to read as many pages of this thread as possbile without asking a redundant question, so if I am, I apologize in advance. This thread is great and I"ve learned so much! Thank you for taking time to share your experiences.
I am looking to finally expand after having the same 10G nano, and I'm looking at the new CAD 39G and the RSM. I really want the RSM because it is the perfect size for me and I love the look of it. I am not excited about doing modifications, but I hear loud and clear that the skimmers stink. So here is my thought and I'd love your input. Do you think I would have success by using your media rack, simply removing the skimmer (I don't know what I would do with that real estate), and performing more frequent water changes? I really hate to admit it, but the RSM is pushing my budget, and I would like to at least delay the purchase of additional equipment. (I guess what I'm really praying for is an improvement from Red Sea Max)
Thanks again for such a valuable thread.
SteveGB
Aug 11 2008, 01:57 AM
My small input is that I was blown away in the difference in changing the skimmer, I installed the Tunze last week and have collected more gunk in 2 weeks than the RSM one did in a year!! Should have done it earlier for sure.
StevieT
Aug 11 2008, 09:39 AM
QUOTE (HideMe @ Aug 10 2008, 11:04 PM)

My eyes are burning...

I've tried to read as many pages of this thread as possbile without asking a redundant question, so if I am, I apologize in advance. This thread is great and I"ve learned so much! Thank you for taking time to share your experiences.
I am looking to finally expand after having the same 10G nano, and I'm looking at the new CAD 39G and the RSM. I really want the RSM because it is the perfect size for me and I love the look of it. I am not excited about doing modifications, but I hear loud and clear that the skimmers stink. So here is my thought and I'd love your input. Do you think I would have success by using your media rack, simply removing the skimmer (I don't know what I would do with that real estate), and performing more frequent water changes? I really hate to admit it, but the RSM is pushing my budget, and I would like to at least delay the purchase of additional equipment. (I guess what I'm really praying for is an improvement from Red Sea Max)
Thanks again for such a valuable thread.
hello! I am happy to see the thread is helpful, and you are the first one to ask this so no worries, sorry for the 50 pages of information!!
Ok on to your answer. Yes, you can run the tank without a skimmer. YOu can keep a nano tank without a protein skimmer, you are more dependent on water changes to take out waste and macro algaes such as chaeto can help greatly.
To be honest, if you run it stock, it is like running it skimmerless since the Red Sea skimmer sucks that bad !
So if you ran the rack to hold all of your media, you could use the extra space to grow macro algae, or just leave it blank for now. If you keep up with water changes your tank should be ok, but not to knock a skimmer, they are still important.
So run a fuge until you save some money, then you can get the Tunze, but do it on your time. If you decide to start keeping SPS, I would say a skimmer is even more important.
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