UPS will be dropping mine off any minute..... I cant stand the torture.............

congratulations... what are you getting?

Just bought my cadlights 22g about 3 months ago,,, tank is awesome. but getting the tank and customer support sucked balls..

anyway here is a link to my setup

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Awesome. My actinics have conked out. Has anyone repaired a ballast on the original lighting fixture?

Hey guys. I'm still undecided which tank setup should I get for my first reef and I found this thread so I have some questions. I was looking into cad 22g and 39g tanks and found out they are local company to me which is a big plus for me (pickup>shipping). I think I would get the 22g one, 39g is a little bit too much and too expensive right now. We'll see:) Anyway, here's what I'd like to find out:
-It is 23 3/4"length x 14 1/4"width x 14 1/2" height and the fuge is 12" x 3 1/2"x tank height so I have 24" x 10 3/4" of "working space", is that correct? Do you like those dimensions in your cad's?
-I am thinking of their stand as well, but I couldn't find any input on their quality? Anyone have it?
-if you were me, would you buy this tank with stock T5 lighting or is it a better idea to buy another brand lights? The ones I'm considering are Aquaticlife t5ho 4x24W http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod...mp;pcatid=21460 or catalinaaquarium 4x24W fixture http://www.catalinaaquarium.com/product_in...roducts_id=1411 What do you think?
-I already grabbed a tunze 9002 skimmer so I would replace the stock one, is that a good idea?
-what do you use to light the fuge?

Thanks for all your comments.

Got a 39 sig. I love the tank..... but.........
I am going to start a new thread.

Hey,

Question for those with the 39 Pro...do you have the same problem as me in that the piece of airline tubing that you put in the top of the durso to silence it gets clogged with salt? This then causes the overflow to drain to about half of the normal level. Any solutions?

Thanks.

How is salt getting in your airline hose?

It's just salt creep. Don't know how or why, but it seems to form there.

Recent owner of CADLIGHTS 50 Gallon Artisan system.


Mike

I took a peak inside the 39G light fixture. Doing so was very revealing.

After taking one of the side panels off, a leftover off piece of wire with a bare end fell out. The next thing I saw was drips and flecks of solder rattling around in the case.

The scariest thing I saw was a strand of bare wire sticking out the side of some heat shrink. This was on one of the wires which drives the HQI bulb and was very close to arcing against the case.

I'm not sure there's anything worth saving here.

Hrmmm, I have not yet had that problem...

That sucks. I would contact Eddie at Cadlights about that and tell him it needs to be replaced for one that is fully finished (as this is obviously not a problem that you could've discovered until the thing broke, and it seems to obviously be the reason it broke). Their quality control is getting to be a bit of an issue.



Love to see a thread on this! The glass on these looks pretty awesome.



I haven't had any trouble with salt creep getting in the airline hose, but i've had algae form on/in it and sort of "stiffen" the hose up.

Frankly, I might just consider replacing the hose every so often to prevent that rather than doing any extensive research into why it's happening (or, alternatively, just clipping off the end that is clogged with salt).

Lately, it seemed to be clogging up every day or so. I would rinse the airline off in my tank to remove the salt creep, then blow on it to try to dry it. I think the residual dampness is causing it to re-clog much faster, that's my theory anyway. So, I just replaced the hose, we'll see if it lasts longer now.

The main reason it was a big deal for me is I have my heater in the overflow box. So as the airline would clog the water level would drop in the overflow and could potentially leave the heater exposed, and break/overheat/underheat.

Heh, seems like a stupid problem, but thanks for the help.


Now I need to find a replacement fan for the lights that can be shipped to Canada...

ahhhh -- well, if you're rinsing it in salt water, I could see why that might be re-clogging so quickly. you could try rinsing in fresh water, but better would be rinsing in vinegar to actually get the salt off of the hose, then in some fresh water to get the vinegar off.

How old is the light fixture? Did you buy it new?

I bought it new, summer of 2008.

@timdanger I will try to start up a thread build either in this forum (All-In-One-Tank) or in the Biotope forum. I know a few people are interested in see CADLIGHT's newest tank.

Mike

post on here when you start it so we know to look for it!

Heh, ya, I don't know why I was rinsing it in salt water, pretty stupid and obviously the cause of the problem. Since having this realization it is no longer a problem...don't mind me I'm a little new.

Thanks.

how is the cadlight high output t-5 fixtures compared to a tek or a nova extreme?

Don't buy electronics (or much else) from Cadlights. If they're anything like the setup which came with my 39G, they're cheaply made to the point of being a fire hazard (see my other posts).

Today provided more evidence of this. I went to change out my T5 actinics this morning and the crappy plastic socket clips Eddie used crumbed to little bits when I turned the tubes gently.

BTW, Eddie hasn't replied to any of my emails for support.

I hate this tank.

Have to agree. I have the 39gal signature tank setup and the tank is very nice but all the rest.......junk. Ive replaced just about everything. Very unfortunate.

Here is my 22g Cad

Hi everyone. Just found this thread. I have a cad 22 and overall I'm happy with it. It's time for me to change out the light bulbs, but not sure what to get. I have the ho t5's with moonlights (96 watts). The fixture seems to work well, but I just wanted to change to a different bulb. I have mostly softies in the tank and they all seem to be doing okay but was wondering if anybody has had better luck with different bulbs. Any suggestions? Thanks

One of the first things I did with my fixture was replace the paper reflectors with a set of Aquatinc 22" aluminum reflectors on the T5 bulbs. That helped a lot with the output from the t5's. Not sure if they have "real" reflectors on the all t-5 models or not.

As far as bulbs go, IMO, you cant beat the ATI brand blue plus bulbs for par and color (if you like blue).

Dennis

Thanks Dennis. I think my reflectors are already aluminum. These ATI bulbs, are they actenic or do they just have a blueish color to them? Thanks again

I think they are a mix of blue and actinic. They are definitly an overall blue color. I have a 4 lamp Tek fixture and run 2 blue plus and 2 aquablue specials, both from ATI. I think the color is great.

Dennis

Thanks again, Dennis. I'll check them out.

I love my 39g pro tank (just the tank though).

I'm happy that I didn't buy the lighting from CADLights and went with the Current Outer Orbit instead. If I had it to do all over again, I would have bought the tank only.

The stand is adequate for support and functional purposes, but has a Sauder pressed board furniture kind of look. I think it should have been more stylish to match the tank.

The skimmer worked ok when the pump was working, but that didn't work for long.

The UV sterilizer has never been in my tank because:
1. I chose not to use one.
2. I don't trust the one that came with the Pro package.

The fan pushes some serious air, but is very loud. I don't use it as I have a chiller and no need for a fan.

The return pump...Seems to be a common item to be upgraded. I will be upgrading mine soon as I can't put up with the constant hum that this thing puts out.

Being that, in hindsight, I would have built my own stand, I also would have built a stand that would accommodate a larger sump. The stock sump is short on the volume side and leaves for very few skimmer options due to it's dimensions.

To be honest, I would have paid a few extra bucks for the Pro setup with a good return pump and good skimmer. CADLights could have kept the fan and UV sterilizer and maybe include a Stealth heater in the package instead of those. A tank as good as the 39pro should have equal quality equipment to match.

Just my opinion....

I'm looking at the CADLights Artisan.. I assume the sump/refugium package is what you are referring to? if so, would you recommend against it? What is the brand of the pump, and do you find teh Bubble-Magus poor?

mkregs and i (i believe) both had the Lifetech pump originally. it's not the same one they are using now (the new one is rated at 1000gph).

i personally like the bubble-magus skimmer, especially for the price. i get good production out of it.

I bought mine shortly before they were including the BM skimmer. So, I have their old skimmer. I've heard good things about the BM.

Congrats on the Artisian! It looks like a nice tank.

I have the CADlights MH fixture which I bought off of rehype and it works great for me, really like the moonlights.

Hey guys, lurking around here, I'm a Solana owner currently, thinking and researching maybe doing a switch to a CADLights 39g Pro-X...haven't done much research on them, but I'm feeling a bit "hands tied" for some reason with the flexibility of the Solana tank. I like the external sump and filtration systems this tank offers...any thoughts on the Pro-X model?

One less piece of stock Cadlights equipment in my tank:

Made a new lid for my 39g

So whats the deal with C.A.D. Lights? I have been reading very mixed reviews about these systems.

I had been contemplating purchasing a Oceanic BioCube 29 but was told about the CAD Lights system by a a guy at the LFS. He talked about these things like they were the best thing ever. I have been reading this post and it seems that the company started out great with beautiful tanks and amazing cutomer service. However it seems recently there has been a huge issue with quality control issue and customer service.

I have been contemplating purchaisng the new 22 gal T5HO (96watt) setup but am now very concerned. Does anyone know if these light fixtures are UL listed? Any objective thoughts on the system? Like I said everyone I have spoken with raves about the CAD Lights they told me that the Bio Cube is junk and I should go with CAD Lights but after reading this thread I am beginning to wonder.

Thanks for any help in advance.

That's a tough comparison, and probably not a useful one. It just depends on what you're looking for.

Cad > Biocube, no question. The Cad has T-5 lighting, a skimmer, 400gph pump, etc. And, the glass is no comparison.

Now, the Cadlights equipment is not JUNK by any stretch of the imagination, but if you're looking for high-end premium stuff, this is not it. You're obviously not getting that with a biocube either, though. But, you're also paying substantially more for less volume. And, having said that, oceanic is apparently going to release a 29g metal halide biocube.

At the end of the day, it depends on what you are looking for. You might hear "bashing" of cad for quality control issues (this is not a new issue), but despite all that, you're getting a better tank and more equipment than a stock biocube offers.

edit: FYI, I own a biocube 8g and a cadlights pro 39g.

Cadlights or Biocube? My advice is maybe neither.

Something to remember is these all-in-one companies don't make their money selling tank glass. They make money selling you $50 worth of poorly constructed ABS plastic as part of a $700 combo.

Someone should start a poll to determine how much stock AIO equipment gets replaced in the first year. I suspect it would show that most of these combos aren't worth the money.

If I had it all to do over again, I'd find a tank with a style that I liked, and I'd forgo anything but the glass itself. Everything else was a waste of money and sometimes dangerous.

huh? Of course they make money on the glass. Once they have the molds I would think it is relatively cheap.

perverseosmosis is just bitter.

AIOs aren't per se a bad deal, especially if you're just starting out. they give you financial flexibility to upgrade stock components as you want to or can afford to while allowing you to keep a tank running in the meantime.

if you have have the expertise to do so, your best financial move is always going to be to design your own system using your choice of components. but not everyone has the patience/financial means/skill/know-how to do that.

would i buy another AIO, Cad or otherwise? no. but, if you had asked me this 6 months ago, i would've given you a different answer.

CAD's are awesome tanks. I bought a tank only, then you can add and do whatever you want without paying for the things you are going to replace anyway.

Heheh I think you might be right I'll try to make this my last rant


I agree with you that had everything arrived in working condition and stayed that way, a Cadlights AIO would have provided a nice path.

However, when I replaced the stock equipment, it often wasn't out of a desire for an upgrade. I was usually because the original piece broke and Eddie was in Shenzhen trying to find someone who'd make light stands for 2 cents a piece.

I don't claim to have any insight as to how good (or more likely) how bad the other AIOs are. All I can say, as someone who's done it and followed most of the Cadlights build threads here is this: Don't buy anything but the tank*. Buying equipment from Cadlights is a costly mistake.

Anywhoo, enough about that. I'm late starting today's water change

*Although even those show up cracked a disturbing amount of the time.

Heres the deal. There is a lfs store in the area who is selling the Cadlights 22g system for $300.00 It comes with the T5HO lights, the stock pump, lock line and BM protein skimmer.

My thoughts are this. The tanks are arriving next week and I can go down and take a look (ie no cracked tank showing up on my door step) since I have only seen these online. I can also inspect the quality of the lighting system. ( I have been told they are UL listed any contradictions on that?) For $300 I think its probably a good buy and then I can upgrade to a better lighting system later if I need to.

Also, I am looking at purchasing Intanks media basket for the system and will probably not use the skimmer.

I really appreciate your guys input. Sorry to take up space on this thread I started one of my own but have not been getting as many responses as this one.

I understand a lot of people are against the AIO tanks and I understand why. However, the setup will work well for me and I really like the stream lined look.

I bought a 9 gallon CAD, tank only and it shipped in what looked like bullet proof packaging. It arrived with no problems and it even delivered on a Saturday. IF it would have showed up cracked it would NOT have been due to CADlights packaging.



Nothing wrong with AIO systems. They make a more versatile setup as you can virtually put it anywhere there is a table or counter top. Compared to a sump which needs a stand and space of it's own.

4 bulbs of 96w T5HO lighting is more then enough lighting for a 22g system. List price for that system is (if I am looking correctly) $329 plus shipping. Sounds like it's a go. You won't be disappointed with the tank build quality. Really just an issue of lighting build quality and I have not personally dealt with CADlights lighting.

I have a 22 gallon cadlights that I purchased about 6 months ago. The tank is going great, but my only complaint is the cheap acrylic stands for the T5HO lights. The stand also doesn't fit perfectly on the tank, so you have to make some minor adjustments. Anyone else have a problem with this?

Got my CADLights Artisan 50G Series "system" yesterday..

All I can say is great tank, great fuge/sump, horrible stand and accessories. Do yourself a favor and stick to the tank and fuge, then do the rest a la carte with the good components.. The Tank is a mercedez, while the stand, fan, and pump are a pinto.

The Stand: You'll cry, then you'll laugh, then you'll cry again, and finally if you have a loaded weapon probably end up taking your own life. There are no assembly instructions.. None. Just a single page B/W drawing of what the stand should look like assembled... You get a bag with like 40 screws, nuts, and pegs of various shapes and sizes. It's up to you to figure out what screws where. The holes are poorly drilled. The veneer is paper thin. In fact the veneer really is paper of some type lol.. The shelf is useless as the hole is centered rather than towards the rear, so you can't pass plumbing. Doesn't come with rubber feet as advertised. Four hours and many brain cells later (with what could have been <1 hour with instructions), it was built.. Trying to decide whether I want (or even can with the vaneer) paint it, as I'm worried the slightest brush up against it might tear or scratch the veneer.

Sorry, just really had to rant about the stand. Still have blisters on my hands today..

I haven't seen the stand for the 50g. That's good to know, though. is it sturdy, at least?

I've been reasonably satisfied with the 39g pro stand for the most part, despite the hinge rust. it's been stable, and i haven't noticed any warping/cracking/bubbling.

Well, it doesn't creak and all the seams line up for the most part. Still trying to get the front doors to align properly. My main gripe besides the lack of instructions is the really thin cheap veneer that is used. I don't know what they used on the 39G stand, but this veneer is literally a water resistant paper like substance. It scratches extremely easily. Now that I have it built, I'm fighting over the decision as to whether to pain it white or not. I'm worried that inevitably the veneer WILL get scratched, and then there is nothing that can be done once the tank is filled and on top.. I did a trial paint job on the inside shelf (which I am now told is not supposed to be used lol) with gloss white krylon, and it came out very smooth and nice.. Tonight the little lady is coming over to give me the official interior design opinion, and I'll decide then. If I paint it white then I'll probably figure a way to paint my Maxspect fixture white as well.. Might look nice..

what about the Lamp Tree, would you recommend it?

AND THANK YOU for letting us know about the stand....I would be SO FURIOUS