Kinetic 82g

ELOS System 120 + SoCalCreations Custom Stand

Latest (1/22/2010


(11/28/2009):


New Lighting (11/18/09):


Beginning (11/28/07): With Ocean Vision Background


(11/20/07): Light and Rocks


Build (10/05/2007): Teaser Picture:


Latest Video (3/05/08)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vUb27S-dx_4

Latest Water Params (updated 1/22/2010)
Calcium: 420ppm
Alkalinity: 9.6dKH
Magnesium: 1240ppm
Phosphate: 0.1ppm
Nitrate: 0.2ppm
Nitrite: undetectable
Ammonia: 0ppm

Status Log
12/03/09 - Porcelain Crab pair arrive 2
11/18/09 - New Giesemann Infiniti lighting installed
3/05/08 - ELOS Tank Videos
2/28/08 - Ventralis Anthias and Trimma Cana Debut!
2/10/08 - First 5 Frags Added
2/04/08 - ELOS Filter Socks and Mg Test Kit
12/18/07 - RDSB Now Online
11/28/07 - OceanVision black background
11/20/07 - Lighting and Rocks!
10/18/07 - Flow at last!
10/17/07 - Filling with RO/DI Water
10/15/07 - RODI Setup + Other Updates
10/12/07 - Tank on Stand
10/11/07 - Aquactinics Lighting Ordered
10/08/07 - ELOS Sump Setup
10/04/07 - Unwrapping the ELOS Sump
10/04/07 - ELOS System 120 Arrives!
10/02/07 - TECO SeaChill Arrives
9/20/07 - Stand In Place
9/11/07 - SoCal Stand Update Pictures and Shipping update
9/11/07 - SoCal Stand Build Completed
9/05/07 - SoCal Stand Update
9/04/07 - Tank Leaves Italy for the US!
8/28/07 - Custom Stand ordered and Lighting decisions
8/23/07 - System 120 Ordered
8/23/07 - Lighting Ideas

Description
The years it's taken to finally get to this tank has really paid off. I went through almost four different tank setups to finally get to this beautiful ELOS System. I've been playing around with acrylic tanks, having awesome companies like SoCalCreations craft together the coolest setups ever, but finally after incarnations of my dream tank, I've finally found the one. For this tank, it will be very simple, but very functional. Every component will be extremely high quality, but I won't spend on items that just add some fluff. Below in the setup you won't see too many odds and ends, just the essentials to keep it safe and easy.

Setup

Display Tank
ELOS System 120 - 48" x 20" x 20" [ 1 | 2 ]
Crystal Low-Iron Glass (4 sides)
Braceless with Beveled
Black Silicon
Internal Corner Overflow (dry)

Sump
Trigger Systems custom Ruby ELITE (pix to come soon)
Old:
ELOS Sump 1000 [ 1 | 2 ]
Topoff Water Resevoir (8g)
Skimmer Chamber
Skimmer Return Chamber
Refugium Chamber

Stand
SoCalCreations Custom - 48" x 22" x 36"
Oak Wood - Dark Cherry Stain
Double Doors
Removable Center Bracing

Lighting
Giesemann Infiniti 48" 2x250watt DE MH + 4x54watt T5 see it here

Flow
Eheim 1260 Return
2x Vortech Pumps @ 3000gph each

Filtration
Bubble King 160
60lbs ReeferRocks and MarcoRocks
BulkReefSupply double GFO/Carbon Reactor

Control
AquaController III
2x Direct Connect 8
ELOS Topoff System
LiterMeter III dosing pump for auto water exchange (4 gallons per day)
Bubble Magus 3, doses Alk only for now
AirWaterIce Typhoon III RO/DI
Eheim Jager 250watt Heater
TECO SeaChill TR10 1/8hp Chiller



Livestock

Fish
Sanjay Black Photon Pair
6x Blue Green Reef Chromis
2x Barlett's Anthias

Coral
ORA Hawkins Echinata
ORA Ice Fire Echinata
ORA Pearlberry
Pink Lemonade
Aqua Delight
Shades of Fall
+ a ton more

Invertebrates
100+ Trochus Snails
6x Nassarius (tonga)
4x Mexican Turbo
1x Tuxedo Urchin
1x Scarlet Cleaner Shrimp

just an fyi i found out that Sunlight Systems makers of the Maristar have a outlet store on ebay.....amazing deals if i must say

Ordered System 120 Today - [ 8/23/07 ]

I decided to start my new build thread with the ordering of my new system. After working with Jesse at ELOS to find the perfect system for me, I officially ordered my ELOS System 120 today.

It will be coming with everything, except the stand. I will be putting together a design with SoCalCreations to come up with a really awesome stand to match the ELOS System. Reason? Even though the ELOS stand is top notch and looks fantastic, it really isn't my style. Plus it's kind of on the shorter side. I will be working with SoCal to create a 36" tall stand for this tank. I'll try to order it by Monday so that it will get here on time.

I will be taking delivery of the System 120 sometime mid September. In the meantime I will prepare all the equipment.

Lighting System Ideas - [ 8/23/07 ]

To save money on halides, I will only be running a Maristar Pendant with 1x250watt HQI and 2x24watt T5. A lot of you are saying "WAIT! But the tank is 4 feet long, you need at least two!"

That's where the Light Rail 3.5 comes into play. I will use this rail to constantly move my pendant left and right throughout the day. The motor is a 6rpm motor, and can hold 35 lbs. I'm pretty sure it will be able to hold the Maristar.

It is very quiet (or so they say), and would be even better than running 2x 250watt halides since it's less power consumption, half as hot, and distributes the light very evenly.

The thing that will suck is, it's gonna be annoying to watch it move back and forth all day, and when you turn off the rail, part of the tank will be much brighter.

On top of that, I will be building a "stealth box" around it, so you don't see the ugly motor and metal rail on the ceiling. It's going to be a long box which the rail and motor can just fit into, so that you can't see it from the sides.

Paint it white like the ceiling, and there's no disgracing the beauty of the Elos Rimless tank

link? I couldn't find it.

Nevermind: http://stores.ebay.com/Sun-Light-Supplies

Kinetic

I've heard of them before but never really seen one of their tanks so I went over to their forum.....I'm so jealous.

Pretty good deal for the 36" Maristar. I might sell my 24" and get that 36" and not worry about a light mover.



Yeah they have top of the line tanks! No messing around. Every component is of the highest quality. Plus the customer service is really awesome.

I would do it because not only is the light mover about 200 dollars just imagine if you wanted to see the entire tank and just stand back and look at it you wouldn't be able to because of the light. With the light rail it would be like missing the channel on TV guide and having to wait for it to come by again

if you read closely they dont come with ballast or bulbs =(

The maristar doesn't, its something you always have to add. Reefgeek.com and you'll see what i'm saying.

So awesome. I ELOS' tanks. tagging along.

I think I'll go for the AquaMedic 36" Oceanlight MH/T5 Combo. It's like half the price of any other 2x250+t5 pendant, and comes with lamps, and ballast. Plus Nikon's coming out with the new D300!! I have to save up for that =X

awesome system you have planned. can't wait to see pictures of the build!

I'll definitely be posting every step I take putting this tank up. It shouldn't be too hard, since Elos systems are known to be as "turn-key" as larger systems can get. But there will be some modifications of course, and additions.

I'm super sad today, my clownfish jumped. He was my first fish ever, and has been with me since the beginning. I've had a few gobies die on me before, but never my clownfish. But man, you don't realize it until it happens, how amazing clownfish personalities can be.

I'm going to really miss that guy.

I'm going to definitely get a group of clownfish for this tank and see how they do.

=P I'm so sad.

sorry about the loss! I love my clowns too. They are more like your little kids than any other fish.

was it the boy or girl? i really liked your pair... so sad =(

it was the smaller guy. =(

I think I will try to go for an anem + a group of clowns for this coming tank. I'll probably wait 6 months after cycling to introduce the anemone, then the clowns.

i like the system 70... too bad i can afford it...... the elos tanks are shweet!~

do you know when theyre coming out with the 300?
I JUST got the 200 too, what bastards!
i hate innovation and advancement, it always makes me feel like i overpay for everything
i have the light rail on my 6'x3' prop tank and its good for that but i wouldnt recommend it on a display
i got mine off ebay used for only ~120 i think it was
they are quiet but you can still hear the motor hum


also, even if the railing costs 200 think of the electric costs and another bulb replacemet cost youd be saving by running the rail instead of 2 lights, thats the main reason i went with the rail

Dude, awesome and well thought out as usual. You have a knack for creating these very nice systems. Just make sure you PM me when you upgrade again - so I can buy your current setup

Stan

Keep up your schoolwork, and one day you'll be afford any tank you want



200 300? What model numbers are you talking about? I'm confused =X I might have missed something, though I've been working for 18 hours straight now with a glass of kenwood 2004 cabernet in my system, haha.

Yeah the more I looked at the rail, I think I'm going to go with a Current USA 36" Outer Orbit MH/T5 combo. The specs are pretty sweet, though current usa isn't the most top end of lighting. 2x250watt w/ 10K HQI lamps, 2x39watt 420nm and 2x39watt 460nm T5, plus a ridiculous 9 white moonlights and 9 blue moonlights.

Anybody have experience with this fixture? I'm going to hang it with my yo-yo hangers =)




Thanks for following my threads =) I probably won't be upgrading for a few years now. This is definitely a dream tank, the best I've put together yet. Not one thing about it erks me =) But hey, i'll keep you in mind just in case just don't jinx it!

lol i think you should of went bigger...either way elos tanks are extremely nice i just dont understand how they stay together with pretty much a thick piece of double stick tape keeping them together lol

I have no more room to go any bigger =)

They stay together with silicon. I'm not sure where you got the tape from? They use about 5x as much silicon as any other glass tank maker, giving their seams a ton of silicon. They even use glass as a snail guard to keep snails / urchins from chewing on the silicon.

i hope i do i would really love to transfer to a 4 year college after high school (i like UCLA+CAL, and a few others that arent in cali)

wait im confused, so this is a 82 + 120 + sump??
how much did the elos set you back if you don't mind me asking

its called the system 120 because i think thats how many cm acros it is.. its 82g+sump

Yeah 120 is the centimeters. They name the models for their lengths, so the 120 and 120xl are both 120cm long, (a tad under 4 feet), etc.

Maybe I should just call it my 120 tank, and set a new trend j/k

Stand Update and more Lighting - [ 8/28/07 ]

I've hired SoCalCreations to create the stand for this tank! I can't ever start a new project without SOMETHING being made by Randy and co. over at SCC. The stand will be just like my old 68g stand, but longer. He will use center braces, however, for this longer stand for extra stability. He is making them with pocket screws in case my sump is too long. The cool thing is I can easily remove the brace, put my sump in prior to putting the display / water in, and then screw it back in without a problem. Both front and back braces will be pocket screws.

The top piece will have a triangular section cut out for the internal overflow, and I may have randy cut a hole in the door for me to mount an aquacontroller, though I don't know why I'd ever need access to it without opening my stand, especially if it's going to be controlled via my laptop. So still undecided about that part.

Depending on how much room is left in there, I was thinking of running an external fuge. I may get this done by Gen over at Kritter Creations (krittertanks.com) since he's more local to me. It'd probably just be a small acrylic tank with an overflow that will overflow into the sump.

As for lighting, I did some research and I've decided to go with a 48" fixture from Current USA. It's the 2x150watt HQI + 4x54watt T5 pendant. I opted for the 48" because it seems to be designed such that the halides cover exactly 48" without wasting in spillover. THe 54watt t5 supplements will also stretch to the edges. This will probably allow me to grow some zoos and low laying corals on the sides of the rock structures.

The dual 150watt instead of dual 250watt is because the tank is only 20" deep. With some overlap, the high light corals should be fine even midway down the tank. Also less heat, less power consumption, etc.

petsolutions has an amazing free delivery deal of $700 shipped for this system. Pretty cool huh? I may see if marinedepot can match it, since I usually try to buy everything from them. (they've been very good to me). I believe in loyalty, but smart shopping as well

The ELOS system without stand cost me about $3045 (includes ~$280 worth of tax). The custom stand is $580 shipped. I'm also getting two vortechs, battery back up which I haven't tallied up yet... and then the lighting for $700. So a little more than $5g's all together.

*sigh*

That is such a lie. I had great grades, standardized test scores, and extra curriculars, amazing grades throughout my university time, and then after college schooling.... I'd say job choice, and money smarts will let you afford a tank.









So finally made up your mind eh? Looks GOOD!!!
When do we get to see pics of the real deal?

What magic 150w bulbs are you going to be using? most of the outputs i've read are pretty dismal when compared to a certain 175w SE.

yeah... that's true, but I think doing well in school is more than just test scores and grades, but you learn about what you like and you realize what you have to do to, well, make yourself happy in the future. IE: I'm a greedy bastard, I wanna make a lot of money It's fun. j/k j/k... sorta =X

Some people don't need that, but I find it hard to believe someone who just sits around all day watching TV / playing video games / doing drugs would get very far as opposed to someone in school with good understandings of what they like and don't like in terms of school subjects, and it allows them to sort of exercise "hard work" skills. Let me just say, all Id id all day was watch tv and play video games. I've never done drugs other than when I underwent surgery =P



Randy is good about posting pictures of his build, so I'm sure those will come first. The tank etc. pictures will come upon delivery, which should arrive at the Pleasanton Elos warehouse mid september. I'll document everything diligently



I think the outputs will be "dismal" but well suited for a 20" deep sps tank. but really, I've never tried it. A lot of folk on RC seem to think that the dual 150's would provide plenty for my sps. Do you think differently? I should get your input on this as well... Which 175w SE's are you talking about?

here is what i mean about the tape like stuff they use



people have told me its a special silicone like tape product that is used

no, it's silicon that is non-toxic. It's a super thick bunch of silicon. No other glass maker that I know of uses the non-toxic type silicon.

That blue color is just a tint on the side for the crystal glass (low-iron).

ooo i know what that is, i was looking at getting one but i would be worried about shipping and also the price of them is incredible, so im going to see what aquarium obsessed can do for me on a tank with 48x30x24 dimensions

I also heard on RC that 150's should be cool, but for the same wattage you can use the iwasaki 15,000k.
Unless you're concerned about space, then just stick to the 150's. :\ less efficient but definetly small.

I was thinking for my next 100ish gallon tank doing 3x150w + 4 60" T5ho
2 daylight bulbs
2 actinic

suppliment the MH with t5 ho? It's a thought. If worse comes to worse order these australian bulbs called sylvania aqua-arc. They put out GOBS of light.

God. Screw building my own tanks. That ELOs is beeeeeaaa--uuuu----tiiii-ful! Do they make anyhthing 60" long and 15-20" tall?

yeah they do the 160 and the 160xl, the 160 is just about 60x20x20 and the 160xl is about 60x30x24 of which the 160 costs $3,275 and the 160xl is $4,210 lol the aquarium obsessed tanks sure are looking good with those prices which is what i will be looking at since elos tanks do cost a small fortune

DIY is looking pretty good.

o.O

if i could get glass that thick and polished around here, i would but i dont have anything that can get that size glass for me and i want to know what kind of silicone those places use

I do.

but I could never afford to do a 1/2" starphire tank. Which would mean i'll just have a GREEN tank. :/

this thread needs more photos.

if you ever see an ELOS tank in person, you'll nod your head and go "oooh, that's why it's so expensive". It really is expensive, but for a reason. I can't describe it. It's absolutely beautiful, especially with the beveled glass etc. It looks better in person at least 70x more than in pictures. It's really odd =/ I didn't want one either until I visited the warehouse. Thank goodness I drove my coupe to the warehouse!! I would've came back with the tank right there and then.

Oh I can tell it's worth every penny from that pic above.

I want one, but I know i'll never be able to afford it on my budget.

i have been looking and i need to set up a tank (corals look pretty stressed in my 100G rubbermaid tub) but i will be waiting a little bit longer, comission checks are on the way and i will most likely treat myself to either a 120XL or an aquarium obsessed 180

ramen for all your meals, sell the house, walk to work =X

hehe, yeah it's pretty bad, but I'm glad I haven't actually set any of my past tanks up, such that I can still sell the equipment back without taking too big of a hit.

this one's definitely going up. My goal is to get it wet within one weekend. Probably not lit or chilled yet though =/ Lighting I'm going to need to go into the attic to place a 2x4 to hold the lighting, and order one for that matter.

it's going to be in the corner of my house, so I'll be wading through dusty as hell insulator and who the hell knows what else to get to that corner.

After that, have to drill through the floor to hookup a chiller into the basement (basement is always fairly cool, even on the hottest days).

I'll also need to setup my Ca reactor, but that'll take awhile to tune since I have no corals yet.


I found out my LFS can get any number of ORA picassos misbar etc. ocellaris! I think I'm going to get one of each of these:
1. Regular ocellaris
2. Black and White
3. Picasso
4. Teardrop
5. Naked

hopefully they'll be ok with each other. I'm all about diversity!!

i dont think they will do very well, they will all gang up on one and kill it then the ones left will gang up and the next smallest/weakest and so on until two are left...at least this is what i have heard

very good choice on the tank once again, i hope to join the low iron braceless club here soon

It's becoming a trend recently, and people seem to be having pretty good success with a "horde" of clownfish.

The trick is introducing them all at the same time, and with one predominantly larger while all the others are very young.

I'll try it out. Wouldn't that be an awesome tank if it worked out? Picasso, Misbar, Teardrop, Naked, Normal?

I don't have a house to sell yet.
I live in the fightclub house with like 10 people. Nothing works, but rents cheap.

I also don't have a job to walk to! Which saves me money.

Tank Leaving Italy - [ 9/04/07 ]

The tank has been cleared at the port in Italy!

Here it is along with some other tanks being loaded up to be delivered:




Unfortunately the shipping date is scheduled for October 10th. Way later than I expected. A wooping month from now. But hey, I guess it gives me more time to save up for some lighting.

I've been deciding on what lighting configuration, here's a new one I've been thinking about:

Aquactinic 48" MH/T5 Classic
2x 175watt 15K Iwasaki Lamps
2x ATI Blue Plus

~$760

I heard the 175watt put out as much PAR as any other 250watt on magnetic ballast, and even more on electric, but saves a lot of energy being only 175watts.

Then of course the ATI Blue+ are also known to kick butt in terms of T5 lighting.

I'm also thinking of the fixture in Bronze, or if they still have it, silver:

the images arent working but if your looking at lighting and want to spend that much i would say 175W is a good choice for lighting, if you werent looking for an complete fixture i have a 3x 175W MH retro for sale with magnetic ballasts for only 300 plus shipping lol

At that price I would get the ATI fixture....it looks sexy and it comes with hanging hardware and spash guard

but it is cool how it comes with different colors

ATI makes a fixture really? Can you show me a link? I thought they only had lamps =/